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Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.

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BasiliskStare · 18/09/2026 13:13

I know there is a thread about the theft of some pre publication editions of this book.
This thread is more by way of a book club discussion about the actual book , the text. Threads will go where they will , but my intention is this is more for me to give my opinion on the book and for others who read it or are interested in the book to join in. I have pre-ordered from Kindle (half price otherwise I may not have 😊) But is only available on September 22nd. So a holding place if you like.

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quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:40

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:38

Yeah, why hasn’t anyone asked King Charles whether he said what Charles Spencer says he did?
I agree with this part of your post: Journalists should have, at this point (they still could and should), pushed the Palace and Charles Windsor personally for a response, preferably in the same manner as Charles Spencer has spoken with the media. Surely, the first question would be
“What did you say to Charles Spencer?” Then perhaps various follow-ups on tone, etc., to gauge how a possible miscommunication, if indeed there was one, might have occurred? It’s hardly investigative journalism and seems basic to me. It’s also entirely possible Spencer is telling the truth.

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I don't think KC has the time or the energy to be drawn into argy bargy with someone who has a distant relationship with objective truth.

Thegirlwhowent · 24/09/2026 08:41

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:38

Yeah, why hasn’t anyone asked King Charles whether he said what Charles Spencer says he did?
I agree with this part of your post: Journalists should have, at this point (they still could and should), pushed the Palace and Charles Windsor personally for a response, preferably in the same manner as Charles Spencer has spoken with the media. Surely, the first question would be
“What did you say to Charles Spencer?” Then perhaps various follow-ups on tone, etc., to gauge how a possible miscommunication, if indeed there was one, might have occurred? It’s hardly investigative journalism and seems basic to me. It’s also entirely possible Spencer is telling the truth.

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I don't think KC would or should answer such a question. Whatever he said would just stir things up even more. The Palace traditionally does not comment on such things for very good reason.

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:42

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:40

I don't think KC has the time or the energy to be drawn into argy bargy with someone who has a distant relationship with objective truth.

He just has to say “I didn’t say those words.” That wouldn't take him very long.

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:43

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:42

He just has to say “I didn’t say those words.” That wouldn't take him very long.

He said it, but more gently and kindly than that.

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:43

Thegirlwhowent · 24/09/2026 08:41

I don't think KC would or should answer such a question. Whatever he said would just stir things up even more. The Palace traditionally does not comment on such things for very good reason.

They have already commented on it, but forgot to deny that Charles said what Charles Spencer says he did.

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 08:43

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:36

Interesting that you infer my choosing not to directly respond to it as "ignoring".

Well it is usual to address the contents of a post in one’s reply, yes.

Or you can choose to ignore it altogether.

That is generally how a discussion forum works.

No one wants to discuss Penny Junor’s book and Mark Bolland’s campaign that led to Diana’s reputation being trashed. I get it.

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:44

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:43

He said it, but more gently and kindly than that.

No he did not say it.

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 08:44

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:43

He said it, but more gently and kindly than that.

It depends if you consider gas-lighting as being kind?

simpsonthecat · 24/09/2026 08:44

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To repeat, I am posting about the reporting of the book, not the book itself.

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:45

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 08:43

Well it is usual to address the contents of a post in one’s reply, yes.

Or you can choose to ignore it altogether.

That is generally how a discussion forum works.

No one wants to discuss Penny Junor’s book and Mark Bolland’s campaign that led to Diana’s reputation being trashed. I get it.

No, you don't instruct me about how discussion works. I will post what I wish.
Good grief!

noonames · 24/09/2026 08:46

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:38

Yeah, why hasn’t anyone asked King Charles whether he said what Charles Spencer says he did?
I agree with this part of your post: Journalists should have, at this point (they still could and should), pushed the Palace and Charles Windsor personally for a response, preferably in the same manner as Charles Spencer has spoken with the media. Surely, the first question would be
“What did you say to Charles Spencer?” Then perhaps various follow-ups on tone, etc., to gauge how a possible miscommunication, if indeed there was one, might have occurred? It’s hardly investigative journalism and seems basic to me. It’s also entirely possible Spencer is telling the truth.

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How are they supposed to get a personal response, doorstep him? That’s partly what the statement is for - they ring up for a quote or an answer to a particular question, they’re referred to HM’s statement and told there will be nothing further.
There are plenty of questions awol from the CS interviews too, but these days journalists don’t like to be too combative, because if they were, soon they’d have nobody to interview at all. There are so many other options for promoting things now, nobody needs to put themselves through a challenging interview.

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:46

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 08:44

It depends if you consider gas-lighting as being kind?

It depends if you decide that a gentle rebuttal is gaslighting.
Perhaps he should just have said "you're lying".

simpsonthecat · 24/09/2026 08:49

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:38

Yeah, why hasn’t anyone asked King Charles whether he said what Charles Spencer says he did?
I agree with this part of your post: Journalists should have, at this point (they still could and should), pushed the Palace and Charles Windsor personally for a response, preferably in the same manner as Charles Spencer has spoken with the media. Surely, the first question would be
“What did you say to Charles Spencer?” Then perhaps various follow-ups on tone, etc., to gauge how a possible miscommunication, if indeed there was one, might have occurred? It’s hardly investigative journalism and seems basic to me. It’s also entirely possible Spencer is telling the truth.

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Absolutely, that is what I also feel. CharlesW of course gets an easy ride because shock horror he has put out a recollections may vary type statement. And that's end end of it, according to the Palace.

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:49

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:46

It depends if you decide that a gentle rebuttal is gaslighting.
Perhaps he should just have said "you're lying".

Well if Charles Spencer is lying then King Charles should have said so, clearly, for the avoidance of all doubt. His response just makes him look guilty to me.

Thegirlwhowent · 24/09/2026 08:50

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:43

They have already commented on it, but forgot to deny that Charles said what Charles Spencer says he did.

They didn't forget to deny - they wisely didn't enter the argument and pointed out the possible flaws in CS's assertions.

simpsonthecat · 24/09/2026 08:51

Thegirlwhowent · 24/09/2026 08:41

I don't think KC would or should answer such a question. Whatever he said would just stir things up even more. The Palace traditionally does not comment on such things for very good reason.

Yes. The dated 'never complain, never explain' from another era has stood them in good stead. Except of course when they are complaining 😂

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:54

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:49

Well if Charles Spencer is lying then King Charles should have said so, clearly, for the avoidance of all doubt. His response just makes him look guilty to me.

It doesn't to me.
Interpretations may vary.

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:57

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:54

It doesn't to me.
Interpretations may vary.

Very droll.
If someone told a whopping great lie about me I’d say that it was a lie. Plain and simple. The only reason to fudge and cloud an issue is to obscure the truth.

smilesy · 24/09/2026 08:59

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 08:49

Well if Charles Spencer is lying then King Charles should have said so, clearly, for the avoidance of all doubt. His response just makes him look guilty to me.

If he had said that Spencer was lying, Spencer would have just said he wasn’t and it would have just been back and forth. He may not be “lying” in his head. That doesn’t mean he is correct, which is what the Palace’s statement was pointing out, without getting in to a slanging match

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 08:59

Thegirlwhowent · 24/09/2026 08:41

I don't think KC would or should answer such a question. Whatever he said would just stir things up even more. The Palace traditionally does not comment on such things for very good reason.

I’m sorry, but why do you choose to believe this in 2026?

The key point you are ignoring, and everyone knows by now, is that the Palace very much does comment on such things; but they don’t do it overtly, they do it through a network of tame journalists, order of the brown nose historians, and commentators, via private leaks and briefings, who put their point of view across for them.

And it’s this lack of authenticity that the public are becoming wise to and dislike.

Every other sentence spoken by Rebecca English or Katie Nicholl and the like starts with, “a source very close to the palace told me this or that” or “from my conversations the mood at the palace seems to be…”

Piers Morgan, who is always bleating on about how close he is to Camilla, couldn’t resist saying in interviews last night that he had been in touch with the palace and they are “spitting blood” about Spencer’s book.

So the Palace are very much not above the fray. They are just pretending to be. Pretence being a key factor in how they operate.

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 09:06

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 08:45

No, you don't instruct me about how discussion works. I will post what I wish.
Good grief!

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This surprises me as I am told all the time on these boards! My basic right to post is frequently questioned but hey ho!

Wewinnow · 24/09/2026 09:19

smilesy · 24/09/2026 08:59

If he had said that Spencer was lying, Spencer would have just said he wasn’t and it would have just been back and forth. He may not be “lying” in his head. That doesn’t mean he is correct, which is what the Palace’s statement was pointing out, without getting in to a slanging match

If the King said that he never said what Charles Spencer alleges then I would believe him. As it stands I believe Charles Spencer about this.

quaintireneofrye · 24/09/2026 09:20

Pipedreams607 · 24/09/2026 09:06

This surprises me as I am told all the time on these boards! My basic right to post is frequently questioned but hey ho!

Oh I would ignore them! Post what you want to. It enlivens discussion.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · 24/09/2026 09:22

Thegirlwhowent · 24/09/2026 08:50

They didn't forget to deny - they wisely didn't enter the argument and pointed out the possible flaws in CS's assertions.

Quite.

And look what happened. The possible flaws came to light with varying recollections all over the place.

As I said the other day, even his wife applauded his Herculean efforts to write the book for his sister - when we were all of the impression it was a book about his sister.

For me it isn’t quite the same.

Ratherhaveacupofteaandabiscuit · 24/09/2026 09:22

I think KC has come out of this attempted mud slinging much better than CS.

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