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Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 6

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bluegreygreen · 15/08/2026 09:37

This is the sixth thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) brought against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers Limited; ANL) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).
The claimants were: Prince Harry (PH); Doreen Lawrence (DL); Liz Hurley (EH/LH); Elton John (EJ); David Furnish (DF); Simon Hughes (SH); Sadie Frost (SF). They were represented by David Sherborne (DS).
The defendant (ANL) was represented by Anthony White (AW).

Judgement was handed down by Judge Nicklin on 7th July 2026.
All claims were dismissed.
Links to the summary and full judgement are below.
We are currently awaiting decisions around costs, following the Consequentials hearing on 29-30th July.

The threads to date were thorough discussions of the evidence (so far as we were able to obtain it), with posters giving links and explaining their views.
Following the judgement, we discussed the judgement itself, the reaction, statements made by different parties and ongoing relevant issues.

We have mostly kept things civil by avoiding more general discussion on Royal Family members, which can become partisan, and trying not to be derailed from the main topic of the thread.

We have occasionally included (when things slowed with the title case) other cases or discussions with a specific theme of free speech/press freedom, particularly when related to those with money or power preventing others from speaking.

Links to previous threads
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5

There was limited direct reporting from court after the celebrities gave evidence; what there we followed on this link, which also includes reaction to the judgement
Sky news link to court case

Summary judgement

Full judgement

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MeetMeOnTheCorner · Today 09:20

@GwendolineFairfax8 To be fair, Sherborne has acted for clients where the newspapers have acted illegally and won substantial damages. His reputation was built on this. In this latest case the straw clutching was immense because they had no evidence of illegal activity but they alleged ANL was the same as the others. Plus they went deeper into allegations without foundation - eg ANL employees lying to Leveson Inquiry.

So yes, it’s going to be interesting!

RecoIIectionsMayVary · Today 09:24

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Today 09:20

@GwendolineFairfax8 To be fair, Sherborne has acted for clients where the newspapers have acted illegally and won substantial damages. His reputation was built on this. In this latest case the straw clutching was immense because they had no evidence of illegal activity but they alleged ANL was the same as the others. Plus they went deeper into allegations without foundation - eg ANL employees lying to Leveson Inquiry.

So yes, it’s going to be interesting!

But wasn't he starting from a privileged position - the other newspapers had admitted to UIG in the Leverson enquiry, so really it was tying up loose ends rather than slaying dragons?

BasiliskStare · Today 09:31

Thank you @bluegreygreen 💐for setting things out so clearly.

I must thank @Choux and @Izzzzxxx also for the splitting the dinner bill analogy. I should think there have been 100s of posts on MN about this so perhaps EJ could whip himself up a username and put it to the MN hive mind 😊

GwendolineFairfax8 · Today 09:36

@Choux

Love your quote from the Barclays’ kids advert 😊

”I didn’t eat Calamari ….”

However, Ms Hurley is every bit as responsible as Prince Harry here.

She said in Court that she was not involved with Hacked Off and did not know much about what Hacked Off did.

Yet in 2016, she donated the £350k to Hacked Off she received from her Mirror Group lawsuit.

Er - ok Elizabeth (never Liz!)

HoldMyWine · Today 09:40

GwendolineFairfax8 · Today 09:36

@Choux

Love your quote from the Barclays’ kids advert 😊

”I didn’t eat Calamari ….”

However, Ms Hurley is every bit as responsible as Prince Harry here.

She said in Court that she was not involved with Hacked Off and did not know much about what Hacked Off did.

Yet in 2016, she donated the £350k to Hacked Off she received from her Mirror Group lawsuit.

Er - ok Elizabeth (never Liz!)

Surely this is perjury?

BillyBites · Today 09:40

And did anyone challenge her on it?

GwendolineFairfax8 · Today 09:48

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Today 09:20

@GwendolineFairfax8 To be fair, Sherborne has acted for clients where the newspapers have acted illegally and won substantial damages. His reputation was built on this. In this latest case the straw clutching was immense because they had no evidence of illegal activity but they alleged ANL was the same as the others. Plus they went deeper into allegations without foundation - eg ANL employees lying to Leveson Inquiry.

So yes, it’s going to be interesting!

It makes it even worse. Sherborne knew what evidence he needed to prove the case and he knew he did not have it.

News of the World and Mirror Group were an easy win for him.

When I have time I will report him to the BSB. I doubt it will take any action - but it will be on record.

bluegreygreen · Today 09:51

Thank you all ❤️

I'm very grateful to have found a thread of likeminded people who really do appreciate that freedom of speech is for everyone, not just those with whom you happen to agree; and who also appreciate that winning a court case requires evidence.

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IAmATorturedPoet · Today 09:54

GwendolineFairfax8 · Today 09:36

@Choux

Love your quote from the Barclays’ kids advert 😊

”I didn’t eat Calamari ….”

However, Ms Hurley is every bit as responsible as Prince Harry here.

She said in Court that she was not involved with Hacked Off and did not know much about what Hacked Off did.

Yet in 2016, she donated the £350k to Hacked Off she received from her Mirror Group lawsuit.

Er - ok Elizabeth (never Liz!)

And Hacked Off publicly thanked her at the time.

(It won't let me archive so I've added screenshots)

https://www.hackedoff.org/blog-posts/hacked-off-thanks-elizabeth-hurley-for-damages-donation

Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 6
Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 6
GwendolineFairfax8 · Today 09:58

BillyBites · Today 09:40

And did anyone challenge her on it?

Not yet!

Perjury is obviously a crime - and therefore it does not have an expiry date.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · Today 10:04

@GwendolineFairfax8 I was talking about his reputation and I did say clutching at straws was the issue here! Yes, of course the others were easy enough but barristers act on instruction from clients. They are there to advise when it’s hopeless, but do you believe Harry and Doreen L were ever going to listen to that? Harry has been fighting for his views for a long time. If these were ordinary clients, they might have backed down but this lot believe their own hype and have a different agenda. It’s difficult to say what the claimants advocates should have done if the clients wanted to press on regardless. I’d bet they did.

bluegreygreen · Today 10:12

RecoIIectionsMayVary · Today 09:24

But wasn't he starting from a privileged position - the other newspapers had admitted to UIG in the Leverson enquiry, so really it was tying up loose ends rather than slaying dragons?

Exactly - and it wasn't only that they had admitted to illegal activity in Leveson, though they had.

Employees of NGN had been jailed for phone hacking (News of the World shut down).
Jonathan Rees had been jailed for phone hacking after a police operation which found that his customers were NotW, Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror and Sunday Times.

So, people involved with both NGN and MGN were linked to illegal activity, and they admitted to it in a legal public enquiry.

Paul Dacre denied it at Leveson, said that his enquiries had shown no evidence of illegal activity, stated that the DM only used journalists for legal information, and had already (long before Leveson) stopped his journalists using private investigators because of their questionable practices.

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GwendolineFairfax8 · Today 10:16

@MeetMeOnTheCorner

Sherborne (Grant and Harris) encouraged Harry and Doreen L to proceed - not the other way round.

Harris was on record in court with his email to Hugh Grant apologising for not being able to recruit anyone else with dead children. Shameful.

bluegreygreen · Today 10:16

Thanks @IAmATorturedPoet.

Hacked Off must be very grateful to receive such a large donation from someone who knows nothing about them ...

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SheinSussex · Today 10:28

binkie163 · Today 08:55

@bluegreygreen thank you for posting the breakdown/ relevant bits, saves my old eyes x
What an absolute shit show. It isn't the end of it either, I think the snakes will turn on each other, then on their legal team and the insurer if the don't pay out. I noticed, I think in the telegraph, quoted insurers to pay 9m interim payment as part of insurance payment! So their assumption is that insurers will pay. As judge has quite strongly suggested that the case was badly handled and complete lack of evidence it falls within the scope of insurance not paying.
This will rumble on forever. The costs will continue to mount with any additional time spent on it. Mr White qc will still be billing ANL from today onwards, adding to the claimants bill. Excellent point by pp that the cost is + vat and then interest will be added, absolutely eye watering.
They are bound to start spouting off to anyone who will listen, SF said judge should have recused himself, h&DL statement. They could end up being sued for defamation themselves if that continues. These are not noble in defeat claimants.

I am looking forward to the sentabale debacle.

This is going to end up like Bleak House.

Wiglio · Today 10:37

The pen is mightier than the sword.
Indeed

Puzzledandpissedoff · Today 10:48

Thank you from me too for your excellent work on this, @bluegreygreen Flowers

I've now read it all myself and your summaries are spot on, but what really stands out to me is that, even knowing that charges couldn't be proven, still they failed to withdraw and carried on repeating them

I realise of course that the claimants weren't actually running the case, but the "keep flinging accusations in the hope something sticks" is so typical of some, (Harry especially), that it's hard not to notice and I still can't grasp how Sherborne, with all his experience, thought this appropriate

Also a very apposite post about the simplicity of thinking elsewhere, @Recollectionsmayvary. It's depressing that some see this as "goodies and baddies" without any further nuance, and while plenty of us on here couldn't quite see what the claimants' whole team were playing at, at least we were honest enough to say so

bluegreygreen · Today 10:53

As I put all the other sections up, I thought I should for completion put up the first section, where Judge Nicklin comments on the issue of the breadth of the case (effectively how the claimants were trying to trawl for evidence and turn it into a public inquiry).

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The starting point is the breadth and character of the pleaded case. In the July Judgment, I described the original pleaded allegation of widespread and habitual UIG as “exceptionally wide; indeed, it could hardly be wider”: [59]. That was not an incidental feature of the pleading. It was a deliberate forensic choice. The Claimants, and those advising them, chose to frame the case in that expansive way. The object was, at least in part, to maximise disclosure from Associated in the hope that disclosure would provide evidential support for the individual claims advanced by each Claimant. That pleading choice mattered because the Claimants were not pleading from a position of established proof. With limited exceptions, the claims were substantially inferential and, in some areas, exclusively so. I do not use “speculative” as a synonym for hopeless,
nor do I suggest that an inferential claim is necessarily unreasonable. Claims involving alleged concealed wrongdoing may properly depend on inference. The difficulty here is that allegations of the utmost seriousness were advanced before the evidential foundation for many of them had been established, and the case was then pleaded at the widest possible level to obtain disclosure and seek to substantiate the individual claims. That was a high-risk strategy. Once disclosure, case management rulings and witness statements exposed the limits of the evidence, the Claimants were required to reassess whether the allegations could properly be maintained. They did not do so.

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I do not suggest that, of itself, the adoption of a broad generic or propensity case in litigation of this kind is necessarily unreasonable. The Claimants are entitled to point to earlier litigation against other newspaper groups in which generic evidence and disclosure have played an important role. In some cases, and on some facts, such evidence may be relevant and probative. But the existence of such litigation does not confer a licence to turn every subsequent claim against a newspaper publisher into a wide-ranging investigation of that publisher’s conduct over many years. The Court must remain focused on the claims actually brought by the individual Claimants. Civil litigation is not a public inquiry.

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There was also, however, a fundamental difference between this litigation and some of the earlier litigation against other newspaper groups on which the Claimants sought to rely. In those cases, admissions or established findings of widespread or habitual wrongdoing provided a foundation from which inferences might more readily be drawn in relation to particular articles or incidents. Associated made no such admissions. That difference mattered. In the absence of admissions by Associated, the Claimants could not treat the fact that private information appeared in an Article, or that there was no readily obvious lawful source for that information, as sufficient to bridge the evidential gap between suspicion and proof. Nor could they proceed as though generic findings in other litigation supplied a road map for proving article-specific UIG against a different publisher. The dynamic of this litigation was therefore materially different.
It required the Claimants to establish, by admissible and probative evidence in these proceedings, the particular allegations they advanced against Associated and its journalists.

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That point was made repeatedly in the case management judgments and was reflected in the Main Judgment. There, I treated the generic and TPI material as relevant context, but not as a freestanding route to liability. I emphasised that neither party’s general account resolved any particular claim, and that the Court had to avoid generalisation and decide, for each pleaded Article or incident, whether UIG was proved on the balance of probabilities, bearing in mind the limits of propensity evidence and the need to avoid inference upon inference reasoning. The same point applied to Mr Whittamore’s evidence: without a sufficiently close link to the particular pleaded Article or incident, such material had limited evidential value in proving any specific allegation: see Main Judgment, Section E(3), and in particular the discussion of what could properly be inferred from TPI evidence and Mr Whittamore’s evidence.

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The Claimants were, of course, entitled to pursue admissible and probative evidence of propensity where it related to the particular journalist or TPI concerned with a pleaded Article or incident. But the original pleaded case went substantially beyond that. It sought to litigate whether Associated had, over many years, widely and habitually carried out or commissioned UIG across its newspaper titles. If litigated on the footing on which it was pleaded, that issue would have required an investigation resembling a public inquiry. It was therefore necessary for the Court, by case management and evidential rulings, to impose limits upon the case.

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That in itself is a significant feature. The expansive way in which the case was pleaded imposed a substantial burden on Associated. It required Associated to investigate and respond to very serious allegations against a large number of journalists, editors, executives and third parties, many of whom had no direct connection with any pleaded Article relied upon by any Claimant. Associated was required to meet allegations which were very serious in character and very wide in scope. The breadth of the case was not simply a matter of scale. It affected the whole character and cost of the litigation.

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The Ward Allegations provide one illustration. The allegation was extremely serious. It related to a burglary said to have been commissioned by Associated journalists. But it had no connection with any Claimant’s individual claim. Even if the allegations had been true, they could not have established that any Claimant’s private information had been obtained by UIG in relation to any pleaded Article or incident. Following the July Judgment, in which the Court clearly set out the parameters of admissible propensity evidence, the Ward Allegations could not be maintained. Yet, the Claimants did not withdraw them. Associated was required to apply to strike them out, and the Claimants
opposed that application. As I observed in the 10 October 2025 judgment [49]:
“The Claimants’ insistence on maintaining the Ward Allegations as part of their case reflects a continued and fundamental misunderstanding of the proper scope of this litigation – despite the clarification provided in the July Judgment. It also reveals an unreasonable approach to the costs implications of litigating in this way”.

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The same broad point applies to other parts of the generic case, including Operation Oxborough. Their inclusion demonstrates the extent to which the litigation had been framed on a canvas substantially wider than was justified by the individual claims.

119
The Claimants submit that these matters were ultimately controlled by the Court’s case management. That is correct as far as it goes, but it is not an answer to Associated’s costs application. The need for active case management arose because of the way in which the claims had been framed and pursued. The fact that the Court imposed limits does not render the original breadth of the case reasonable. Nor does it deprive Associated of the ability to rely on the width of the case as part of the cumulative picture for costs purposes.

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MrsLeonFarrell · Today 11:06

Puzzledandpissedoff · Today 10:48

Thank you from me too for your excellent work on this, @bluegreygreen Flowers

I've now read it all myself and your summaries are spot on, but what really stands out to me is that, even knowing that charges couldn't be proven, still they failed to withdraw and carried on repeating them

I realise of course that the claimants weren't actually running the case, but the "keep flinging accusations in the hope something sticks" is so typical of some, (Harry especially), that it's hard not to notice and I still can't grasp how Sherborne, with all his experience, thought this appropriate

Also a very apposite post about the simplicity of thinking elsewhere, @Recollectionsmayvary. It's depressing that some see this as "goodies and baddies" without any further nuance, and while plenty of us on here couldn't quite see what the claimants' whole team were playing at, at least we were honest enough to say so

Yes, Harry kept talking about Meghan in his evidence which made absolutely no sense.

BasiliskStare · Today 11:12

Thank you @bluegreygreen

I've just taken snippets but I think H&D's statement means they fundamentally misunderstood or possibly wilfully misunderstood the difference between the claims they were bringing and other cases against other publishers, and the basis upon which those claims would be judged. I think this misunderstanding , especially if shared by all the claimants, explains why they have been accused by some of being in this for what they saw to be an easy payout.

From Judge Nicklin

There was also, however, a fundamental difference between this litigation and some of the earlier litigation against other newspaper groups on which the Claimants sought to rely. In those cases, admissions or established findings of widespread or habitual wrongdoing provided a foundation from which inferences might more readily be drawn in relation to particular articles or incidents. Associated made no such admissions. That difference mattered. In the absence of admissions by Associated, the Claimants could not treat the fact that private information appeared in an Article, or that there was no readily obvious lawful source for that information, as sufficient to bridge the evidential gap between suspicion and proof. Nor could they proceed as though generic findings in other litigation supplied a road map for proving article-specific UIG against a different publisher.

Harry & DL's post verdict statement

"We came to court seeking justice and accountability. But we have received neither. This judgment represents a complete reversal of the position which previous judges have taken in relation to the hacking claims successfully brought against both News Group Newspapers and Mirror Group Newspapers (who were represented by, at the time, the Judge who made this decision).
"Generic findings about various private investigators that were held by the Courts in these parallel claims to have carried out unlawful activity at the very same time in relation to similar stories and well-known individuals have been wholly ignored.
"The fact that this Court has chosen to dismiss them represents an inconsistency which is hard to understand or reconcile with common sense, or the evidence heard in the courtroom itself.
"It is a complete and obvious whitewash, but sadly not altogether unexpected.

bluegreygreen · Today 11:17

Yes, @BasiliskStare - I don wonder if either of them has actually looked at the judgement itself since, rather than the summary, given that they put that statement out so quickly.

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BasiliskStare · Today 11:23

Exactly @bluegreygreen . Now I know they didn't have you to nicely summarise and explain it to them , so at a disadvantage compared to me and others 😂 , but they did have a raft of lawyers. Even the most cursory discussion with someone who knew what they were talking about should have explained it. Which is why I wonder if the misunderstanding was just wilful. H&D are very lucky the judge said he put their statement to one side when deciding on costs

bluegreygreen · Today 11:27

It's probably only fair to add that the final section (after the costs decision was explained) debated whether there should be a cap on the indemnity costs, and the two sides were invited to give written arguments.

Judge Nicklin decided that he would not impose a cap, given that he had already decided for costs on an indemnity basis, and that if the two sides could not agree there was already a proper procedure for coming to an amount (a hearing with a costs judge).

He did comment that Associated's costs were exceptionally high, but that they would be fairly assessed by the costs judge, and unreasonable costs would not be allowed.

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Those figures are striking. In ordinary language, the costs appear exceptionally high. They are largely unexplained. I noted at the hearing that costs of this order are unprecedented in the Media & Communications List. Standing back, as the Judge who case-managed and tried these claims, I regard a claim for costs in excess of £34 million as, on its face, excessive and as giving rise to real concerns as to whether all of the costs now claimed by Associated were reasonably incurred and are reasonable in amount. That observation is not a summary assessment, still less a determination of any issue that will arise on detailed assessment. It reflects the scale of the costs now claimed when set against the issues in the proceedings, the assumptions underlying the costs
management process, and the Court’s previous attempts to impose discipline and proportionality on the conduct of the litigation. The reasons for the increase have not yet been tested in the way they will be tested on assessment. Whether, and to what extent, those costs are recoverable will be a matter for the Costs Judge if the costs are not agreed.

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I also recognise that much changed after the original costs management process. The litigation did not unfold precisely on the basis assumed when the budgets were originally prepared. Significant additional work was generated by later developments. By way of example, there were the various episodes relating to Mr Burrows’ evidence. The trial itself lasted 11 weeks rather than the 9 weeks originally anticipated. There were also further case management developments, disclosure issues and trial preparation consequences. These matters may provide explanations, in whole or in part, for increases in expenditure. Whether they do so, and to what extent, will have to be
considered on proper evidence.

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It follows that it would be unsafe for this Court, at this stage, to select a maximum recoverable figure. The Court does not have before it the materials that would be required to undertake anything approaching an assessment. I do not have a bill of costs. I do not have the detailed schedules that will be prepared for assessment. I do not have points of dispute or replies. I do not have evidence explaining, phase by phase and item by item, why the costs were incurred, what work they represented, whether that work was caused by developments in the proceedings, and whether the amounts claimed are
reasonable.

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The Claimants propose a cap in the range of £18–£20 million. I understand why that range is advanced. It is said to be anchored to the costs information Associated presented during the budgeting process and to the Claimants’ ATE position. But I am not persuaded that I could select any figure within that range, or any other figure, in a principled way on the material before me.

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A cap of £18 million, £20 million, or some different figure would inevitably be broad brushed. It would risk being no more than a judicial estimate of what appears, at this stage, to be a reasonable maximum. That would be vulnerable to the charge that it was arbitrary. It would also risk unfairness to Associated, because it would deprive Associated of the opportunity to demonstrate, on evidence and in the proper forum, that costs above the cap were reasonably incurred and reasonable in amount.

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The Claimants submit that a cap would avoid years of expensive wrangling and would conserve court resources. I see the force of that submission. There is a real danger that any detailed assessment in this case will be lengthy, expensive and contentious. But that cannot justify replacing the assessment process with an unparticularised ceiling unless the Court can identify a principled and fair basis for doing so. The fact that detailed assessment may be difficult is not, of itself, a reason to deprive the receiving party of the opportunity to justify its costs.

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Nor do I consider that the Claimants’ ATE position provides a sufficient basis for a cap. The Claimants say that they obtained ATE by reference to the costs information available to them and that Associated’s later disclosure of costs has left them exposed. Associated disputes that there was any representation or reliance sufficient to justify a cap. Associated also points to the 5 November 2025 request that Associated confirm it would not seek to recover above budget, which Associated did not accept, and to the fact that no application was made at that stage.

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I do not need finally to resolve every point in that exchange. Even assuming in the Claimants’ favour that they reasonably used the approved budget and the costs information provided by Associated as important reference points when considering ATE, that does not produce a principled figure for a cap. It also does not establish that the proper remedy is to restrict Associated’s recoverable costs, rather than to leave reasonableness and recoverability to detailed assessment.

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I have considered whether a more limited form of order might be appropriate:
for example, a cap by reference to particular phases, a date, or categories of work. In principle, such an order may be permissible. But the same difficulty arises. Without the evidence that would be available on assessment, I cannot identify the figure or figures in a way that would be principled, fair and non-arbitrary.

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The proper protection for the Claimants lies in the detailed assessment process.
That assessment will be rigorous and evidence based. Associated will have to justify the costs it claims. The Costs Judge will be able to scrutinise whether particular work was reasonably undertaken, whether the hours claimed were reasonable, whether the level of fee earner was appropriate, whether there was duplication, whether work flowed from developments in the litigation, whether costs were caused by matters for which the Claimants should fairly be responsible, and whether the sums claimed are reasonable in amount. On an indemnity assessment, doubts are resolved differently, but the receiving party is still not entitled to recover unreasonable costs.

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damemaggiescurledupperlip · Today 11:28

'they did have a raft of lawyers'

They had one QC and three of his juniors, didn't they? So no-one to counter-balance DS? Unless the solicitors were weighty enough to do so.

bluegreygreen · Today 11:56

I can’t tell who you’re replying to here, @damemaggiescurledupperlip.

If you mean the claimants, there were 4 barristers in court (none KCs).

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