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Mylovelygreendress · 01/07/2026 19:38

myrtleWilson · 01/07/2026 19:35

@LipglossAndLies I thought there was a grey cloud hovering over the Frogmore payment as to whether it also included rent due so not ‘paid in full’

You are right , it was slipped in that the £2million included rent .
Was there not also a question about who actually repaid the money ?

Noodledog · 01/07/2026 19:38

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 01/07/2026 18:52

I think maybe the point was that the current king of Spain dealt with the corruption in a very firm way. Definitely modernising the monarchy and being completely transparent with finances.

It would be nice to see Charles showing similar leadership and having such a clear vision of what he wants a 21st century monarchy to be.

Did he? The current king, Felipe VI didn't cut financial ties with his father Juan Carlos until 2020. Interesting article in the bbc. Article printed in 2020 btw, not 2014.

Spain's monarchy shaken by Juan Carlos's hidden Swiss fortune - BBC News

King Juan Carlos in military uniform saluting

Spain's monarchy shaken by Juan Carlos's hidden Swiss fortune

King Juan Carlos abdicated in 2014 but is once again in the spotlight over his financial dealings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53415781

myrtleWilson · 01/07/2026 19:38

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LipglossAndLies · 01/07/2026 19:39

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I answered your question on what I thought even if it was 6yrs ago. You ignored all of that and back to attacking me and trying to put me in a box with a label.

Do you have the figures? I outlined what I know and I don't know. I don't make comments about other RF members using the SG. I haven't given anyone a free pass.

I make comments questioning the legal loopholes they have, the laws that don't apply to them regarding tax, lack of transparency. I question the amount the SG is and if they are doing less then at some point it should be going down. All of that again is not about individual members but the way things are structured. Only individual i comment on is Andrew. If you want to continue discussion on almost these points great and certainly lets do that on the other threads thay cover these things so as not to derail this.

Hellohelga · 01/07/2026 19:39

So impressive at her age and after her illness. I did BN last year and there’s no way I could have done the other two peaks after.

EmpressSisi · 01/07/2026 19:46

LipglossAndLies · 01/07/2026 19:39

I answered your question on what I thought even if it was 6yrs ago. You ignored all of that and back to attacking me and trying to put me in a box with a label.

Do you have the figures? I outlined what I know and I don't know. I don't make comments about other RF members using the SG. I haven't given anyone a free pass.

I make comments questioning the legal loopholes they have, the laws that don't apply to them regarding tax, lack of transparency. I question the amount the SG is and if they are doing less then at some point it should be going down. All of that again is not about individual members but the way things are structured. Only individual i comment on is Andrew. If you want to continue discussion on almost these points great and certainly lets do that on the other threads thay cover these things so as not to derail this.

I don’t have the figures, sorry. Do you?

Aren’t you curious how much Harry and Meghan have received from the Sovereign Grant? Or does that not interest you? Because you seem happy to excuse them, even though they were part of the very same institution you criticise and have also benefited from taxpayers’ money.

And it’s a bit rich to accuse me of derailing the thread by asking about Harry and Meghan when you’ve already admitted to bringing up the Sovereign Grant and Andrew yourself on a thread about Catherine climbing some mountains 🤣

OneFancyBird · 01/07/2026 19:58

ThatAvidViewer · 01/07/2026 18:50

You're really embarrassing yourself by repeating claims that aren't true.

Catherine never said she preferred living next to Andrew. That was Jennie Bond giving her own opinion, not Catherine making a statement. There's a huge difference.

And when exactly did Catherine "coddle" Andrew? Simply being photographed at the same event or in the same car is not evidence of a close relationship.

As for Richard Branson, Catherine was friends with Holly Branson, his daughter. That's not the same thing as being responsible for everything Richard Branson has ever done.

Her parents' party business was a limited company that failed after COVID, as happened to many businesses. That's exactly how a limited company works in the UK: the company is a separate legal entity, and its debts belong to the company, not to the owners personally. That's why it's called "limited liability."

And Uncle Gary made his fortune in IT recruitment. He sold his shares in Computer Futures for around £17 million in 2005. You may not like him personally, but his wealth came from building and selling a legitimate business, not from anything illegal.

At this point, it sounds like you're repeating social media narratives rather than checking the facts.

Catherine dear uncle is was fined for beating his partner and is involved dealing with shady money, drugs etc. Catherine used to party and do deals with Richard Branson and her family business failed and messed with people lives. Period. And there's more much more to delve into

https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/2870444/carole-michael-middleton-targeted-poster-campaign/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42151778

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-1382869/Kate-Middletons-Uncle-Gary-Goldsmith-250k-thief-lover-Julie-Ann-Brown.html

https://www.dailymail.com/news/royals/article-14283991/Kate-Middletons-embarrassing-uncle-Gary-Goldsmith-reason-millionaire.html

https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/2993566/carole-michael-middleton-struggling-to-pay-bills/

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/the-middletons-fail-to-repay-debts-after-party-firm-goes-bust-xf887c6j9

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kate-middleton-parents-face-financial-150913846.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAArGHD2D467035KE84Mp6lMYJhd31N1ikNo9dGmsbIjLj0gNxmjrJTOPaSL7F4NGtvEHZ6Hfz2UnMoWe60lEB1-IOX0YjfbqTf5IBlKKd7YswxyHKvX6_O4zVRFp27Kfd0rM9A6Q2dq1Y96zNYY9Eq6oAy0SQt2nE9lrA0aEC1Sx

www.linkedin.com/posts/jamesburtt_i-have-to-call-out-this-attempt-to-bully-activity-7255919029771554816-ck28

Gary Goldsmith

Kate Middleton's uncle fined £5,000 for assault on wife

Gary Goldsmith admitted punching his wife to the floor with a "left hook" outside the couple's home.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-42151778

IAmATorturedPoet · 01/07/2026 19:59

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sittingonabeach · 01/07/2026 20:00

What income do the Crown Estates equivalent of Denmark and Spain earn for their Treasury?

ThatAvidViewer · 01/07/2026 20:19

You're moving the goalposts. I was talking about your claim that Gary's money was "shady," not about his character. They're two different things. He made his money by building and selling a legitimate business.

Catherine also isn't responsible for her uncle's actions.

As for Richard Branson, Catherine was friends with Holly Branson. Attending the same events or even discussing a potential business venture doesn't mean she knew anything about someone's private life or alleged conduct.

And her parents' business failing after COVID isn't the scandal you're trying to make it. It was a party supplies business, one of the sectors hit hardest by the pandemic. It was also a limited company, which means the company is a separate legal entity. Its debts belong to the company, not the owners personally, unless there has been wrongdoing. That's the whole point of limited liability.

At this point, you're only embarrassing yourself by doubling down on claims that aren't supported by the facts.

Noodledog · 01/07/2026 20:23

Regarding the much cheaper Spanish and Danish monarchies, it's unsurprisingly not that simple. As you can see in this article, while the Spanish royal family cost each Spanish citizen slightly less than the British royal family cost each British citizen (2.2 euros per year v 2.48 euros per year), the cost per citizen of the Norwegian and Danish monarchies is actually far higher (10.91 euros and 10.64 euros respectively). And the 7 million cost of the Spanish monarchy sovereign grant is only a very small part of the money they receive from the state:

The Spanish Crown costs 2.2 euros per Spaniard and 105 million euros from the budget are allocated to sustain it | British

The Spanish Crown costs 2.2 euros per Spaniard and 105 million euros from the budget are allocated to sustain it

Felipe VI began his reign with a period of informative transparency regarding the Royal House. Since 2015, gifts and accounts have been made public. However, the scope of Zarzuela...

https://www.mundoamerica.com/british/2026/03/03/69a70912e4d4d8822f8b457f.html

Noodledog · 01/07/2026 20:28

@ThatAvidViewer
And her parents' business failing after COVID isn't the scandal you're trying to make it. It was a party supplies business, one of the sectors hit hardest by the pandemic. It was also a limited company, which means the company is a separate legal entity. Its debts belong to the company, not the owners personally, unless there has been wrongdoing. That's the whole point of limited liability.

I've long been confused by the (deliberate?) inability of so many to understand the meaning of a "limited company"!

CathyorClaire · 01/07/2026 20:38

I've long been confused by the (deliberate?) inability of so many to understand the meaning of a "limited company"!

I think most understand it.

The more confusing matter is the sudden conversion from an unlimited liability partnership of many years' standing to a limited liability company not so very long before it failed.

sittingonabeach · 01/07/2026 20:40

Since when is a niece responsible for their uncle’s behaviour

Noodledog · 01/07/2026 20:51

CathyorClaire · 01/07/2026 20:38

I've long been confused by the (deliberate?) inability of so many to understand the meaning of a "limited company"!

I think most understand it.

The more confusing matter is the sudden conversion from an unlimited liability partnership of many years' standing to a limited liability company not so very long before it failed.

Do you have links to what happened with the Middletons business? On the face of it, it not always having been run as a limited company would be an unusual choice. But I'd be interested to read more about it.

SpiritofaPanda · 01/07/2026 20:55

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APlateOfMixedFanciesAndANicePotOfTea · 01/07/2026 21:00

Musicalchef · 01/07/2026 19:06

Kate Middleton is a parasite that gets praised by doing the basic or less than it.

I won't praise mediocrity, but I don’t begrudge a hobby, a walk in the woods or a long hike as everyone deserves a life. What's embarrassing is attempt of sycophancy.

I'm guessing your knowledge of hiking in the UK mountains and hills is limited because anyone - that's anyone - who completes the 3 peaks challenge is entitled to praise and acknowledgment of a gruelling achievement.

IAmATorturedPoet · 01/07/2026 21:05

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EmpressSisi · 01/07/2026 21:07

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Noodledog · 01/07/2026 21:10

CathyorClaire · 01/07/2026 20:38

I've long been confused by the (deliberate?) inability of so many to understand the meaning of a "limited company"!

I think most understand it.

The more confusing matter is the sudden conversion from an unlimited liability partnership of many years' standing to a limited liability company not so very long before it failed.

Looking on companies house, party pieces was incorporated in September 2019 and was dissolved in August 2024. I've read the reports from the administrators who were called in in 2023 and I can't see anything suspicious? The administrators seem pretty clear that the problems started in 2020 with the covid shutdowns massively affecting business. Obviously, in 2019 no-one could anticipate what happened in 2020!

Noodledog · 01/07/2026 21:20

@CathyorClaire so your post seems to be suggesting (or insinuating) that there was some kind of financial impropriety in the decision to change to limited company status. But unless you think the Middletons were somehow able in 2019 to forsee the covid pandemic, I can't see any evidence whatsoever for that being the case

CathyorClaire · 01/07/2026 21:25

Looking on companies house, party pieces was incorporated in September 2019 and was dissolved in August 2024. I've read the reports from the administrators who were called in in 2023 and I can't see anything suspicious?

Well yes. I've looked at the available figures too (so very many exempted as a partnership).

As I said the more interesting matter is the unexplained conversion from unlimited liability (no figures) to limited liability status not so very long before the entire gig went tits up.

Bemusing.

simpsonthecat · 01/07/2026 21:34

And tits up it went with huge debts and lots of small companies left high and dry being owed £500,000 plus, and then £613,000 unpaid VAT.
The company that bought it didn't take on the debts, there was a lot of bad feeling about it all at the time, I remember aggrieved people who were owed were sticking posters up on lamposts where the Middletons lived!

CathyorClaire · 01/07/2026 21:35

Noodledog · 01/07/2026 21:20

@CathyorClaire so your post seems to be suggesting (or insinuating) that there was some kind of financial impropriety in the decision to change to limited company status. But unless you think the Middletons were somehow able in 2019 to forsee the covid pandemic, I can't see any evidence whatsoever for that being the case

I think the change will remain inexplicable unless full financials are revealed.

Until then I think Covid has some heavy lifting to do:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/8147929/Royal-Wedding-Middletons-money-how-was-it-made.html