PR Disasters Chapter 14

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Continuing the baton on from @Atlusvue

Have you "clearly" read it?
I did not know that.
I have no idea how it came about.

Well, only if they thought they could monetise the link.

Exactly, RecollectionsMayVary - hence my comment about the suspension of any kind of sense and reality

Technically they don’t in any meaningful way ! , they can call themselves anything they want but it doesn’t have the same effect as it does elsewhere 🤷‍♀️, however as far as I can discover, any foreign person who wants US citizenship has to denounce their titles, an American citizen who is bestowed titles does not ! , I’m assuming because they don’t acknowledge them there.

I called one of mine “bean “ as a small child ! , it was cute then , not now and definitely not a name anyone would want to saddle a child with officially! 🤷‍♀️

So, Harry couldn't become a US citizen? He'd never in a million years drop his title! It's his entire identity.

Yes exactly @FenellaFeldman! Harry hasn’t and won’t become an American citizen because he would have to give up all his titles! And as Meghans derive from his and not in her own right hers would go as well !
only the children would retain “Prince and princess “ !

Oh dear god. That would be catastrophic for them! More so than a fabricated car chase!

Is Archie a US citizen? As he was born in the UK but has an American mother? I should really learn how all this works. Maybe dual citizenship?

They don't, @FenellaFeldman, at least not the "nobility titles" I think you mean?

I've linked the constitutional bit below (don't worry it's not a hideous read!!), but while they'll accept - though not necessarily use - titles people bring from elsewhere, they absolutely can't confer any of their own

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S9-C8-4/ALDE00013204/

As far as I can discover, any foreign person who wants US citizenship has to denounce their titles, an American citizen who is bestowed titles does not

Edited to add you're also correct on this, @jeffgoldblum
I'd have to check, but believe there was once an attempt to strip Americans of their own citizenship if they accepted foreign titles, except that it never got ratified

He'd also be taxed by the USA. Forever.

That’s what happened to Sarah Ferguson in a roundabout way , the minute Andrew lost the right to his titles hers disappeared too ! Poof just like magic! , I think people don’t quite understand that those who marry a royal only get a complimentary title that only exists because of who they married, if the royal loses theirs then obviously the complimentary one is also gone.

Of course.

He has no clue, has he?

Nope 🙂‍↔️

Does anyone know on what basis Harry has residency? It's clearly not on a skills visa....🙄

From my memory- the Queen gave herself the nickname as a child as she couldn’t say Elizabeth - and it came out ‘E-Lili-but’ which her grandfather George V thought was funny and started calling her it too.
When she was 9 months old and Princess Elizabeth of York , her parents The Duke and Duchess of York went on a long tour which included Australia and New Zealand.
They were away for 6 months and Elizabeth stayed with her grandparents ,the King and Queen, who were utterly enchanted by her. This is why ‘Grandpapa England’ had such a strong bond with Elizabeth. He utterly adored her and spent time with her wherever possible.
His staff could remember going into his study and seeing him crawling around on the floor with Elizabeth and sometimes being her ‘horse’ - something he had never done with his own children.
By the time the Duke and Duchess of York came back from their long tour “Lilibet” was firmly established as her name at home. It’s how she thought of herself.
The King later said ‘I hope nothing comes between Bertie, Elizabeth and the throne’ - he knew her character and that she would be a great Queen.
By using the name she had indeed given herself, which was used by only her family and some very close friends they took from her her identity as a woman other than The Queen.
I can’t imagine how hurt she must have felt.

Well …., I think it’s been rumoured he’s on a special a1 visa and he is married to an American so that would help but , I doubt he has full residency and if you really check he doesn’t actually spend the majority of his time in the US ! , so I think it’s a complicated situation of him being away enough and those in power turning a blind eye and as usual giving him special treatment!

Oh yes. His privilege. As usual. I'm disappointed that the US puts up with it, tbh.

It was THEIR truth and - as some posters used to tie themselves in knots saying - it’s just as valid as THE truth .
No, me neither .

Like something out of Lewis Carroll! 😂

The King later said ‘I hope nothing comes between Bertie, Elizabeth and the throne’ - he knew her character and that she would be a great Queen.
But when the Queen's grandfather was alive she wasn't expected to become Queen, her uncle was due to inherit and would have been expected to have children.
The Queen's grandfather would never have imagined an abdication. Unthinkable then.

I can't read this but has it been planted to throw shade on William's friendships, because people have been speculating that Harry has lost all his friends?
https://www.dailymail.com/news/royals/article-15859469/Williams-secret-life-Disguises-accents-pints-loyal-friends-BARBARA-DAVIES.html

I imagine it's all part of the desperate push to turn public opinion in Harry's favour so that Charles will give him what he wants for fear of negative press. Waah I never got an anniversary card, I am shocked and depressed. Waah he never told off Trump for me, I have PTSD. Waah why does he prefer my brother when his friends have such iffy accents?

But what does Harry want? Just money? Half-in, half-out? Maybe some kind of mass self-flagellation, the whole RF throwing themselves into the dust at Meghan's feet in Trafalgar Square while the crowds cheer. Then banishment for the Waleses - after they have admitted that William is actually shorter and stupider than Harry and Catherine is actually fatter and older than Meghan - and then Charles to instate Harry in his proper place as Prince of Wales. Perhaps with an enhanced title. Special Prince of Wales. Something like that, I expect.

No, but her Uncle David was showing no signs of marrying and settling down to have a family (and heir), so it was looking at least possible.