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Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 4

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bluegreygreen · 12/05/2026 17:19

This is the fourth thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) brought against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers Limited; ANL) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).

The claimants are: Prince Harry (PH); Doreen Lawrence (DL); Liz Hurley (EH/LH); Elton John (EJ); David Furnish (DF); Simon Hughes (SH); Sadie Frost (SF).
They are represented by David Sherborne (DS).
The defendant (ANL) is represented by Anthony White (AMW).

The threads to date have been thorough discussions of the evidence (so far as we were able to obtain it), with posters giving links and explaining their views. We have mostly kept things civil by avoiding partisan discussions on specific Royal Family members, and trying not to be derailed from the topic of court proceedings.
The case has concluded and we are now awaiting the judgement from Judge Nicklin.

We have also included (when things slowed with the title case) other cases or discussions with a specific theme of free speech/press freedom, particularly when related to those with money or power preventing others from speaking.

One current ongoing case is that involving @GwendolineFairfax8 - some details towards the end of thread 3.
The case is in court this week and is likely to be reported on at the end of the week.

Links to previous threads

Thread 1

Thread 2

Thread 3

There was limited direct reporting from court after the celebrities gave evidence; what there we followed on this link
Sky news link to court case

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Totalmayhem · 08/07/2026 17:20

Any chance someone can give the gist of the article linked above? It’s still behind a paywall for me😏

CrocsNotDocs · 08/07/2026 17:20

Charlotte Griffiths article is very long and detailed. It’s in the paid Mail Plus section and I don’t know how to archive. This is the final few paragraphs.

”Under cross-examination, Harry seemed to deal with all these awkward facts by suggesting I was some sort of imposter.
So it was that earlier this year I was forced to endure a torrid session in the witness box with Harry’s dreadful barrister David Sherborne claiming I was some sort of fantasist who had been ‘deliberately overplaying’ my friendship with Harry.
This, he repeatedly implied, was to conceal the fact that I had been using illegal practices to obtain stories. Furthermore, he said, I had completely ‘invented’ the anecdote in my witness statement about Prince William and his wife’s morning sickness.
If the latter was true, it would follow that I was guilty of perjury, for which the maximum sentence is seven years imprisonment. To be falsely accused of such a serious crime, in a very public arena, was deeply upsetting and I remain appalled to this day that the prince chose to participate in this grotesque charade.
In fact, I neither embellished nor downplayed what had happened. My job was simply to set out the facts, as required by both his lawyers and mine.
What is even more galling, given Sherborne’s line of attack, is that in the months leading up to my court appearance, Harry’s circle had been very ‘leaky’ indeed.
I can now reveal that, during the summer of 2025, a close adviser to Harry and Meghan had contacted me out of the blue and invited me to lunch at the Ivy restaurant in London.
As a result of information given to me at that lunch meeting, I placed a series of stories in The Mail on Sunday that portrayed the couple in a positive light. This included a front-page article, which ran in July, suggesting that Harry and Meghan were attempting to rebuild their relationship with King Charles. It revolved around the fact that Liam Maguire and Meredith Maines, Harry and Meghan’s US PR chiefs, were to hold clear-the-air talks with the monarch’s aide Tobyn Andreae in London.

Secret meeting between Head of Comms for the King, Tobyn Andreae and Meridith Maines, Head of Comms for The Sussexes, 2025
I was duly tipped off about the meeting, which was held at the Royal Over-Seas League near Clarence House. The attendees settled themselves on a balcony plainly visible from the public park below. The Mail on Sunday arranged for a photographer to capture the cosy but very embarrassing scene.

In a development which speaks volumes for their integrity, ‘sources close to the Sussexes’ then briefed the Daily Telegraph that they were ‘very frustrated’ that the pictures of the Royal Over-Seas League gathering had ended up in The Mail on Sunday – suggesting, quite falsely, that the Palace was responsible for a grotesque betrayal of trust.

Now, just six months later, the prince was impugning my integrity, while swearing that his people never leaked and that stories that ended up in my newspaper must have been obtained illegally.

Prince Harry’s efforts to discredit me had another unintended consequence: My enforced sharing of those ten Facebook messages we’d exchanged over that seven-week period after the shooting weekend in 2011 when we'd first met.
In court, the prince had said under oath that he’d met me just once. He added that he’d then cut me off when he’d learned of what I did for a living.
Harry’s Facebook messages, sent from an account he’d maintained under the username ‘Spike Wells’, indicated otherwise.
We’d actually corresponded from December 4 until January 22, 2012. And it was me, rather than Harry, who brought our Facebook conversation to an end: I’d failed to respond to a message in which he suggested he’d be coming to London the next month:
“I’ve been seriously busy since I last saw u but plan on getting back in the mix for Feb! U best be around.”
Or, to use social media parlance describing someone who fails to respond to a message, it was me who had ‘ghosted’ the prince.
But all these revelations came at a cost: Publication of the messages turned me into a global internet news story.
Today, I am a happily married 42-year-old mother of three with a wonderful husband. My years of partying until dawn are long gone and I have no particular desire to relive them.
But suddenly those messages, in which I had spoken about the ‘fun weekend of naughtiness’ and Harry had recalled our ‘movie snuggles’, were interpreted as evidence of some sort of romantic liaison.
In fact, we’d merely shared a blanket during a film screening in a sitting room with other people present on a Sunday afternoon. The ‘naughtiness’ referred to excessive alcohol consumption.
A reference by Harry to a ‘Cinderella’s shoe’ in a separate message inspired further misleading headlines suggesting we had been intimate. In fact, the shoe was one of those brogues which had disappeared after I borrowed them in order to head outside for a cigarette. The truth was, in other words, rather less exciting than headlines suggested.
As a journalist, I should stress that I have absolutely no problem with being written about. People who hold others to account for a living shouldn’t complain when they are scrutinised.
That said, I was saddened, if not entirely surprised, that in the sewers of social media, where women are routinely abused and objectified, I was bombarded with tens of thousands of messages, dubbing me a ‘harlot’ and a ‘slut’ and worse. At one point Lady Colin Campbell, the sensationalist royal commentator, saw fit to call me a ‘drunkard’. The hatred and bile was sickening.
And the prince? The truth is, I rather liked what I briefly knew of the old Harry. He could be mischievous, irreverent and occasionally exasperating, but he was also funny company.
The man he has become is someone I barely recognise and someone for whom I have lost all respect.
After all, it was Harry’s PR machine which during the court case attempted to paint him as the victim of a predatory siren.
At one point, Maguire provided hostile reporters with a deeply misogynistic briefing that I deliberately went to the house party to seduce Prince Harry in a ‘honeytrap’ operation.
Such claims were all nonsense (what sort of ‘honeytrap’ stays silent for 15 years?) As are suggestions that Harry and I were ever intimately involved.
In truth, I would have taken details of our relationship to my grave, had I not been dragged to court to be casually smeared by a royal whose arrogance and sense of entitlement has now rotted whatever moral compass he once possessed.
This is the same Harry who stands on stages pontificating about the evils of social media while fronting gooey campaigns about online bullying. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Before he dragged me into court, I’d almost forgotten about our brief friendship. Now I rather wish I could erase it altogether.”

Recklessismymiddlename · 08/07/2026 17:21

Recklessismymiddlename · 08/07/2026 17:14

Forgot to add David Yelland is usually quite supportive but not so supportive this time 😁

IAmATorturedPoet · 08/07/2026 17:25

I don’t know if this works? archive is a bit hit and miss at the moment.

https://archive.ph/wHsNV

CrocsNotDocs · 08/07/2026 17:26

It works for me, @IAmATorturedPoet

IAmATorturedPoet · 08/07/2026 17:29

CrocsNotDocs · 08/07/2026 17:26

It works for me, @IAmATorturedPoet

Oh that’s good 😊

MargaretThursday · 08/07/2026 17:34

Harry’s Facebook messages, sent from an account he’d maintained under the username ‘Spike Wells’, indicated otherwise.

Interestingly there is a FB account with that name who says the owner went to Eton and looks like it stopped being used in 2012!

JSMill · 08/07/2026 17:57

@CrocsNotDocsthanks for sharing that. The most interesting part is CG confirming that H and M are very leaky.

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:15

The journalists did go through a huge amount of stress. But so did other witnesses. They lost the right to live peacefully with their families and the right to be with their loved ones. And they lost a huge amount of their income. Yet they stayed loyal and truthful. Until the end.

Janiie · 08/07/2026 18:15

IcedPurple · 08/07/2026 12:03

Sorry no I completely disagree.

DL chose to join this case with the same knowledge as all the others. She's a mature woman with plenty of experience of the media and the legal system, not a naive teen.

She also chose to put her name to that appalling, slanderous statement, basically accusing the judge of being corrupt. She's lucky if she and Harry don't get done for Contempt of Court.

If you're going to get involved with a very dodgy civil case, using up precious public time and resources, then you need to be prepared to take the consequences if it doesn't go your way. No matter what tragedies you have suffered or what good if you have done elsewhere.

Yes, she seems not the brightest sadly, to have been totally targeted and manipulated like this. Harry is a pariah.. As an aside I've just read an interview with DL's exh saying she had their son's body exhumed and moved without even telling Mr Lawrence. What an appalling the thing to do.

Janiie · 08/07/2026 18:19

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:15

The journalists did go through a huge amount of stress. But so did other witnesses. They lost the right to live peacefully with their families and the right to be with their loved ones. And they lost a huge amount of their income. Yet they stayed loyal and truthful. Until the end.

The other witnesses should have maybe tried to do a wagatha, they'd have actually found out who their leaks were rather than the ridiculous 'the dm spied on me with stick on cameras and microphones though I've no photos or evidence to back up my claim' crap.

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:22

Janiie · 08/07/2026 18:19

The other witnesses should have maybe tried to do a wagatha, they'd have actually found out who their leaks were rather than the ridiculous 'the dm spied on me with stick on cameras and microphones though I've no photos or evidence to back up my claim' crap.

Yeah agree but this isn’t what I was saying

Janiie · 08/07/2026 18:26

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:22

Yeah agree but this isn’t what I was saying

Sorry, i thought you said the witnesses went through a lot? I'm saying it was all absolutely preventable and they should've found their leaks themselves rather than stupid far fetched claims costing millions, targeting and manipulating people and wasting everyone's time.

Lunde · 08/07/2026 18:27

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:15

The journalists did go through a huge amount of stress. But so did other witnesses. They lost the right to live peacefully with their families and the right to be with their loved ones. And they lost a huge amount of their income. Yet they stayed loyal and truthful. Until the end.

Which witnesses are you talking about?

HurrahforHollywood · 08/07/2026 18:28

I wondered if Camilla was at Wimbledon to allow Charles and Harry to have a meeting in private. Clearly they are in London .

Lunde · 08/07/2026 18:31

HurrahforHollywood · 08/07/2026 18:28

I wondered if Camilla was at Wimbledon to allow Charles and Harry to have a meeting in private. Clearly they are in London .

Edited

I think that Harry is pretty radioactive at the moment - especially after calling the judge corrupt.

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:41

Lunde · 08/07/2026 18:27

Which witnesses are you talking about?

A family member and without this family member ANL would have lost

Lunde · 08/07/2026 18:45

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:41

A family member and without this family member ANL would have lost

Sorry? Which family member that gave evidence?

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:48

Lunde · 08/07/2026 18:45

Sorry? Which family member that gave evidence?

I might be able to say at some point but not now.

Gymnopedie · 08/07/2026 19:08

@AgileRobin

Do you need directions to the tinfoil aisle in Tesco?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/07/2026 19:15

“I’ve been seriously busy since I last saw u but plan on getting back in the mix for Feb! U best be around.”

🙄 He writes his texts in the same way my friends and I used to when we were 16.

BreadInCaptivity · 08/07/2026 19:20

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 18:48

I might be able to say at some point but not now.

The people who gave evidence are a matter of public record.

Having followed the case I cannot think of anyone who fits your description though to be fair it’s not clear if you alluding to a member of your own family or H’s (or potentially any other claimant).

binkie163 · 08/07/2026 19:27

Lunde · 08/07/2026 18:45

Sorry? Which family member that gave evidence?

SF tried to drag her ex husband into it, he has been happily married for some years, it was not in his or his families interest to be dragged back into her shit. Luckily the judge accepted a written statement from him on stuff that happened over 20 years ago. As sherborn never referred to the statement I'm guessing it didn't support her story.
Honestly these people need to move on with their lives, very privileged lives and count their blessings. 20+years on, no one remembers those stories, embarrassing at the time maybe but worth risking millions for and as it turns out their reputations.

Batcats · 08/07/2026 19:43

I thought this opinion piece in the Guardian was rather good. I'm new to these threads so my apologies if this has been answered. But has it been established why Doreen Lawrence thought that the very paper that ensured her sons killers were brought to justice would suddenly be spying on her and bugging her conversations especially by journalists who had championed her cause at a risk to themselves? She isn't a celebrity, or politican or member of the Royal family. I'm not sure what interest the public would have had in her private life?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jul/08/prince-harry-daily-mail-royal-family

After losing to the Mail, Prince Harry seems doomed to a sad life in California. And he did it to himself | Stephen Bates

As the family travails worsen, it’s a wretched time to lose to his tabloid tormentor. Epic battle, epic fail, says author and former royal correspondent Stephen Bates

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jul/08/prince-harry-daily-mail-royal-family

AgileRobin · 08/07/2026 19:54

Gymnopedie · 08/07/2026 19:08

@AgileRobin

Do you need directions to the tinfoil aisle in Tesco?

I know where it is but thanks

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