Beatrice and Eugenie banned from Ascot part 2

[BillericayDickie]

Interesting thread so heres hoping it continues

Well that’s news to me ; I have never seen any reports of Catherine smoking . DD1 was at St Andrews at the same time as W and C and was a bit bemused with your claim.

If she knows Kate as well as you are inferring, she can just send her a quick text and ask her then. Somehow I don’t think that will happen though 😂

Like another poster, I am
sure I’ve seen photos online of her smoking and William too. . The palace have done what they do to portray their squeaky clean images and wiped the past.

Does it matter if they smoke? Mind you, id have thought after having cancer, she’d have stopped, if she was a smoker. Mind you didn’t stop my relative.

maybe she did at one time, lots of people do, then give up.
I don't think its a big thing.

There are certain RF subjects about which there is a tacit conspiracy of silence, until it suits the media to print them. Kate smoking is one of these. It is still seen in bad taste to mention it in relation to her recent diagnosis. However there were pictures of her in the early days in the back of taxis outside Mahiki and you sometimes would see the pack falling out of her bag on the seat. As @hairytoity said on the Ascot pt 1 thread, the banned paparazzi photos from France showed her smoking by the pool, and also apparently included some of her at a private airport walking across the tarmac with a cigarette in hand. That is the sign of someone who is/was not an occasional social puffer.
FWIW sources told me a few years ago that Harry and Kate were always the ones sneaking off to balconies and fire exits for a fag - William is not a smoker. Camilla I suspect has given up in recent years because the King hates smoking but perhaps someone can confirm whether or not this is true.

I had no idea Kate smoked. People do underestimate how difficult it can be to quit, so giving up around pregnancy would not have been easy. I know several people who cannot achieve it even in pregnancy. Kudos to her for getting over it.

Catherine definitely did smoke. I remember the photos of her drunk in the taxi and the pictures of her bag open. It was said at the time that she and Harry smoked, I doubt she smokes now.

Thanks for the thread @BillericayDickie

@deeahgwitch the photo was from a Buckingham Palace garden party in May 2016.

I didn’t say she knew her well . They had different friendship groups but their paths crossed .

Thanks for new thread, BillericayDickie.

I can't say I was particularly aware of stories about K smoking but a quick Google suggests she took up the habit when she broke up with W for a while. It seems a bit of a whitewash unlikely to me if you've never been a smoker previously but anyway there's apparently no evidence to suggest she still indulges.

I'm surprised H, Euge and apparently W too picked up the habit given G6 and Margaret's lung cancer diagnoses.

Astounding to think it's only relatively recently puffing away was banned in public indoor spaces.

If it were very important to be very thin (in days before GLP1 microdosing etc) I can see why smoking might have seemed a good option, relative to the alternatives at the time (eg the Diana route).

Interestingly, G6, Margaret, Harry and Eugenie were/are all “spares”. I don’t know if it’s because they had more freedom/desire to rebel or felt on some level their longevity didn’t matter so much. However HMQ, Charles and William were/are anti-smoking, while being tolerant of family members/partners (Philip, Camilla, Kate etc) who smoked a lot at various times in their lives.

I'd say they now vape instead. The non smelly variety, high nicotine. No one would know and they shouldn't care either. Life is short and not too sweet often for most of them. If I were Camilla I'd just carry on doing what I felt like doing, no man King or not should be telling anyone what to do. But it may be coming from a place of concern. However Camilla has survived so far up to nearly 80 so why should she care now. She has a separate house and can smoke/vape all she wants. Good on her I say.

Back to the Yorks…
Is someone able to Archive this please ?

When you stated your daughter was bemused at the idea of Kate smoking, you implied she knew her well enough when it was quite obvious she didn’t. Your ‘bemused’ comment made you look silly.

Sorry but it’s you who looks silly as you clearly haven’t read my second post .

Thanks @BillericayDickie for thread

I'd like to read the article about.Edo too but archive won't work for me ATM

What havoc AMW and his ex has wreaked on the whole family, the children, their partners, every grubby thing past and present, the stench of A&S's behaviour is going to follow them around for a very long time
I wonder if AMW is reflecting or is he still thinking he hasn't done anything wrong. It's like a mafia crime ridden family and his behaviour reflects on the wider family too - who knew what and when

I agree with @Catlady007007 !! The comment re bemused did whiff of showboating a bit of privileged insight! And then your bemused daughters apparent inside knowledge was proved wrong !! Definitely looking a bit silly 🤣

I should imagine he feels hard done by. Tough shit.

Interesting article, I used a PW unblocker.

How likely do you think this is:

"Inevitably, it means the pair have a significant financial commitment and now there are fears that Mozzi’s stock as a property developer, which had been buoyed by his marriage into the Royal Family, could slump thanks to the close association of his in-laws with the sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein. Small wonder, then, that there are reports of gathering storm clouds around the once supposedly fairy tale marriage between the ‘Count’ and his Princess."

How likely is this? The article claims that Edo's company was extremely modestly successful, but then expanded quite a lot after his marriage to Beatrice , but that sadly, the Epstein scandal has now put a dampener on the business.

But that seems a bit of a stretch to me. I don't think if I was looking for help locating or purchasing a property through a private property acquisition firm, that I would trust them with my business just because of the original founder's association to the Royal Family. That seems a bit bizarre.

I haven’t read the Mail artcile, but I expect that Mail has decided to repackage as a revelation the old news that Edoardo Mapelli-Mozzi’s family title of Conte has no legal standing, but is used as a social courtesy only. As has been the case for all the titles of the Italian nobility since the formation of the Italian Republic in 1947.

This is very normal in former European monarchies. Beatrice Borromeo who married into the Monaco royal family is likewise the daughter of the Count of Arona (not a legal title either). Her sister in law, Princess Alexandra of Hanover (daughter of Princess Caroline of Monaco and Print Ernest of Hanover) also has a “courtesy title” only since the German nobility was abolished after WWI.

This has never been a secret. Just of no interest to most people I imagine!

From the last thread (about clothes as costumes & statements / symbols):

“deeahgwitch · Today 07:43
What event were Kate, the Duchess of Gloucester, Beatrice and Eugenie going to in the photo you posted [my name]?
I agree with you [other poster] that Eugenie’s dress looks like it has coloured clothes pegs and spooky faces printed on it.
Who is it by, I wonder ?
It’s pretty ghastly. Or should I say ghostly 😀”

I’ll try and have a look, @deeahgwitch. Bear with!

(Sorry the poster names didn’t cut and paste across. This place is going to the dogs, I tell you.)

That was a Buckingham Palace garden party, held on 24 May 2016.

Eugenie wore a skirt and top by Alice +Olivia - from a range that was a collaboration with illustrator Donald Robertson. It’s …. bold!

All I know is...it's horrible!

You're exactly right, that's precisely what it is. Repackaged information regarding titles with a bit more salacious speculation to round it out.

I don't really get the big deal about that outfit of Eugenie's. I wouldn't choose it but it's not hideous to me at all.

Not like this one which I just think is absolutely fugly - https://www.elle.com/uk/fashion/celebrity-style/news/a41324/kate-middleton-shiny-floral-erdem-gown-to-black-tie-dinner/ - and is most definitely wearing her.

Or this praiseworthy attempt to recycle an elderly set of curtains by Zara - https://nypost.com/2024/06/20/entertainment/what-zara-tindall-whispered-to-prince-william-at-royal-ascot/

No woman in the public eye gets it 100% right every time, Beatrice and Eugenie don't seem that outside the norm to me

I don't think it's a big deal that Kate used to smoke. But it's another reminder that the press are very very favourable to her - the slightest thing that might be viewed as negative gets buried