PA & Sarah - problems stem from not enough £?

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Sarah said in 1996 in all years together Andrew’s income never exceeded $50,000. Neither seem to understand money.

Has so much of this mess happened as neither had the funds for the life expected? PA had only a moderate sum from civil list & most went on official engagements & staff & his office.

An evening dress cost $4,000 & Sarah said in mid 90s (in her book ‘My Story’ written for USA audience hence dollar amounts) & she needed a lot, she began to quickly run up debt. She was expected to host Christmas parties for 250 & have hairdressers & make up artists, nannies etc. She was young & had no guidance & a spendthrift if unchecked by own admission - often buying very generous gifts for others.

The Queen seemed to give gifts NB: house but neither had money to run in manner expected.

If PA & SF had a steady & generous allowance would he have avoided ‘Epstein’ & much seediness? Presumably Will & Kate have always had access to bigger funds?

Just looked it up - Andrew received £169,999 from the Civil List in 1990 (as an example). He may have had other income from the Queen to top this up and cover his working royal expenses.

Jesus. AMW liked fucking young girls trafficked by his billionaire friend. THAT is the cause of his downfall, not a lack of money, lack of job or any other lame excuse you want to drag up to justify his behaviour.

An evening dress does not cost £4000. Honestly, apologists like you. Just shut up.

AMW and SF have bought and sold property to the value of around £30-35 million in the past 20 years
2003 - paid an estimated £8 million for the lease on Royal Lodge
2007 - £15 million profit when he sold the house that QEII gave them as a wedding present to a dodgy Kazakh businessman
2014 - bought a chalet in Switzerland for estimated £13-16 million which was sold in 2022 for approx £18-20 million - unclear whether they rented it out for additional income
2022 SF bought a townhouse in Belgravia for £4.25 million (without mortgage) that was rented out for £200,000-250,000 income. Sold in 2025 for £3.85 million

It's unclear how much of these millions thy have spent

So it's clear they have had a lot of money plus AMW likely has trust funds from grandparents etc as they tend to be set up for those not in direct line to inherit (like the approx £8-12 million Harry received from the Queen mother)

I think ‘she doesn’t come out of it well’ is one of the most disingenuous understatements I’ve ever read on Mumsnet, and that’s saying a lot.

I’ve already said no apologist & his appalling moral transgressions speak for themselves.

I am old enough to remember his wedding & his service in the Falklands. I am frankly astonished this has all transpired.

As I said maybe there is no answer to how this has happened beyond his own moral failings that were less apparent in his 20s. Casting around for any logic then futile.

We should be able to discuss all view points without being told to 'shut up'

If you think someone is an apologist challenge them, don't shut them down.

Starting this thread is what makes you an apologist!

To be very clear I mean only in context of book ‘My Story’. She gives a list of all extensive moral failings. Also gives life story to date.

I'm not sure why I'm engaging with this stupidity to be honest. But FFS

Thank you. Data & financial info I had to 1996. Interesting. That’s a sea change.

I'm sure that AMW's official "earned income" ie his Navy pay probably didn't exceed $50k

But there was obviously a lot of other money sloshing around from trust funds and more dubious sources - otherwise how would SF have been able to pay £4.25 million in cash for her Belgravia house in 2022?

The royals are all entitled, workshy and barely have a maths O Level between them.
Not surprising they are greedy and living beyond their means.

@HolidayHideaway Uou keep quoting what SF said in her book, as if it is fact. You do realise she’s a proven liar as is her ex H?

Once the hope & prospects & moral trajectory felt they could be a force for good. It feels bewildering things happened as they did. Perhaps just A’s & SF’s character more heavily masked in earliest days.

I do think they were exceptionally stupid. And that the life of being in the royal family has the potential to be very corrupting. They seem to have embraced the corruption at every level. I found SF’s emails to JE genuinely shocking. Don’t know why.

The question in my mind is who is the Epstein now that people are emailing (probably whatsapping) like that, that we don’t know about? And who else was SF getting money off at the time?

Incidentally the average uk salary in 1986 was just over £7,000.

Gullible and naive for 40 years, one debt after another? They were famous for extravagance. I think you know them or represent them or something. Your post of nauseating.

If they were out of their depth with expectations of them they couldn’t meet, it’s not like they weren’t surrounded by senior courtiers who would have happily advised them about money.
I don’t think it was that though, I think it was their own expectations that were the problem, and Andrew will have been too arrogant to listen to advice.

I certainly agree that they didn’t have as much money as they thought they were entitled to. By no stretch of the imagination, however, does that mean they were ‘skint’. They had more money and privilege available to them than the vast majority of the population could dream of. The fact that SF even dares to suggest that they were struggling just shows how out of touch she is.

Please stop. Your attempt to find excuses for him wanting to have sex with trafficked young women is nauseating.

Sophie wasn’t trying to sell access to the Queen. She was just very indiscreet about the opinions of several royals, and the big one was her own opinions about politics, Tony Blair and if Charles and Camilla could marry while the Queen Mother was alive.

Her business partner was the one trying to sell access - to her and Edward.

Andrew and Sarah were set up in a similar way to Anne and Mark Phillips.

Anne hasn’t exactly been slumming it so it’s perfectly doable on the income they’ve had - especially when you consider that in 1990 Andrew got £20k more than Anne in the civil list despite the fact he was still in the navy so I’d bet she did more royal engagements than he did!

This is ridiculous! , you say you are not a sf apologist but that is exactly what you are doing!!
it is common knowledge they were both looked after handsomely until the divorce, she got greedy and spent more than most of us will ever see in a lifetime on frivolous crap!

They've burned through more money than most of us could ever dream of.
The late Queen gave them land and money to build that house which was sold over the odds to that Kazakh oligarch.
On divorcing A, SF was given a property, with staff, in Surrey.
The truth is that neither Anne, nor Edward and Sophie go on private jets twice a week, 20 holidays a year and throw lavish parties. They didn't seek the financial support of men who would traffick and exploit girls and women in the most vile manner.
Stop excusing this, seriously.

Yes. Anne can even manage to support her children and grandchildren.
They're very rich people. Andrew and Ferguson were just more than averagely greedy, amoral and stupid.