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Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3

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bluegreygreen · 19/02/2026 13:46

This is the third thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) are bringing against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).

Thread 1

Thread 2

Since the celebrities have given evidence, there has been limited direct reporting from court; what there is has mostly been on this link
Sky News link to court case

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CraftyGin · 24/03/2026 18:46

Will we hear about the closing statements, or is it just a big long wait until September?

bizzywizzy · 24/03/2026 19:42

I said at the start of previous thread that the claimants fully expected a settlement before trial. And my opinion has not wavered from that! For claimants to back out I assume would have meant them being responsible for both sides costs. Which tbh is still looking likely.

Now we have potential fraud and perjury on top of possible creation of bogus evidence to get round the time barring rules.
I have been lurking all this time but really look forward to catching up with this thread every evening .
I just love Gavin Burrow's casual dropping into his answers about Prince Harry's (alleged) drug dealer. Omg priceless.

bluegreygreen · 24/03/2026 19:54

Burrows was the last witness, so just closing statements now. I don't know if they will be reported.

I thought I read somewhere that the judgement was due to be handed down in May, but I could be mistaken. I think Judge Nicklin deserves a holiday after this!

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AgileRobin · 25/03/2026 06:16

People were trying not to laugh in court, even the Judge. His tactic was extremely clever and against one of the most high profile Barristers in the country. He took the wind out of his sails. That is quite an extraordinary thing to do. Regarding his previous admissions for other papers, yes he admitted to it - things that happened decades ago, for those papers, not ANL. None of his colleagues went to prison; they were not his colleagues. He was not even living in the UK. I get the dodgy bit - but from years ago. Doesn’t mean he is now. Graham Johnson started all of this, he is the true conman as so many others have similarly testified.

Thedom · 25/03/2026 09:20

I wonder if this will be the nail in the coffin for Hacked Off.

So many of these unreliable and unscrupulous witnesses are connected to Hacked Off, I hope there is a really thorough investigation into their operation, this case seem to have exposed how they seem to be operating on the cusp of legality.

TheAutumnCrow · 25/03/2026 09:21

AgileRobin · 25/03/2026 06:16

People were trying not to laugh in court, even the Judge. His tactic was extremely clever and against one of the most high profile Barristers in the country. He took the wind out of his sails. That is quite an extraordinary thing to do. Regarding his previous admissions for other papers, yes he admitted to it - things that happened decades ago, for those papers, not ANL. None of his colleagues went to prison; they were not his colleagues. He was not even living in the UK. I get the dodgy bit - but from years ago. Doesn’t mean he is now. Graham Johnson started all of this, he is the true conman as so many others have similarly testified.

And Burrows got it on the record for posterity! And it can be reported without risk of libel, as long as it’s reported accurately.

Not that we didn’t know about Harry’s long-time drug habit - he’s told us himself in written and spoken words, even making money out of his anecdotes (book, and Gabor Maté pay-to-view interview) about his use of psychedelics, weed and alcohol.

I wonder how anyone can find Harry to be a reliable witness about anything that happened back then. And possibly yesterday.

bluegreygreen · 25/03/2026 09:41

Thanks @AgileRobin - have appreciated your insights.

Re being involved in UIG, it's worth remembering that the people who have been convicted of phone hacking and are involved in this case are:
Graham Johnson - lead investigator for the claimants
Greg Miskiw - paid by Johnson
Glen Mulcaire - paid & threatened by Johnson

It's also worth looking again at the Press Gazette interview with Johnson in May 2025, and whose evidence he said the cases were built on - he didn't mention Burrows.
https://archive.is/HmE0d

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/03/2026 09:46

Sincerely hoping the closing statements will be reported ... after all that's been flung around it would be very handy to have

And does the judge do a summing up in civil cases?

AgileRobin · 25/03/2026 10:04

bluegreygreen · 25/03/2026 09:41

Thanks @AgileRobin - have appreciated your insights.

Re being involved in UIG, it's worth remembering that the people who have been convicted of phone hacking and are involved in this case are:
Graham Johnson - lead investigator for the claimants
Greg Miskiw - paid by Johnson
Glen Mulcaire - paid & threatened by Johnson

It's also worth looking again at the Press Gazette interview with Johnson in May 2025, and whose evidence he said the cases were built on - he didn't mention Burrows.
https://archive.is/HmE0d

Thank you. Admittedly I am close to the case. I am really grateful for this thread and all the opinions. It’s lovely to be in such a respectful arena and to hear other people’s valid comments and thoughts.

Justdancevance · 25/03/2026 10:10

I hope that all the claimants have made arrangements to transfer assets. The insurance will cover ANL’s legal fees and DS and hacked off are left out of pocket

this trial should not have gone to court but DS and Hacked off were blinded by a gravy train of ANL settlements.

I hope Doreen can use Burrows comments to prevent her going broke.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 25/03/2026 11:33

AgileRobin · 25/03/2026 06:16

People were trying not to laugh in court, even the Judge. His tactic was extremely clever and against one of the most high profile Barristers in the country. He took the wind out of his sails. That is quite an extraordinary thing to do. Regarding his previous admissions for other papers, yes he admitted to it - things that happened decades ago, for those papers, not ANL. None of his colleagues went to prison; they were not his colleagues. He was not even living in the UK. I get the dodgy bit - but from years ago. Doesn’t mean he is now. Graham Johnson started all of this, he is the true conman as so many others have similarly testified.

Thank you. It’s good to know that I am not alone in thinking exactly this.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 25/03/2026 11:40

bluegreygreen · 25/03/2026 09:41

Thanks @AgileRobin - have appreciated your insights.

Re being involved in UIG, it's worth remembering that the people who have been convicted of phone hacking and are involved in this case are:
Graham Johnson - lead investigator for the claimants
Greg Miskiw - paid by Johnson
Glen Mulcaire - paid & threatened by Johnson

It's also worth looking again at the Press Gazette interview with Johnson in May 2025, and whose evidence he said the cases were built on - he didn't mention Burrows.
https://archive.is/HmE0d

Don’t Hugh Grant and Glenn Mulcaire look all cosy.

To remind any new readers, Mulcaire went to prison for phone hacking (News of the World).

Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3
Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3
Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3
bluegreygreen · 25/03/2026 20:50

I haven't seen any reporting today - has anyone else?

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PrayForMyBum · 26/03/2026 08:53

It hasn’t been on the PA schedule for the last couple of days @bluegreygreen - suspect we’re into the time allocated for both sides to prepare closing submissions.

PrayForMyBum · 26/03/2026 09:01

Just checked and it’s also not on today’s schedule

bluegreygreen · 26/03/2026 09:18

Thanks @PrayForMyBum

There won't really be any surprises in the closing statements, so the one ting I really want to know now is when the judgement is due - I thought it was May, but someone upthread said September.

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PrayForMyBum · 27/03/2026 08:48

Closing submissions are starting today from 12noon. Looks like they'll be covered. Will be interesting to see whether AW's are short and sweet, like his opening!

@bluegreygreen as far as I know there won't be a timetable, as such, for a judgement. I know two people who have recently been involved in civil proceedings at the High Court and they were left waiting months, without any idea when the judgement would come. I suspect September is more realistic than May, but it depends what else the Nicklin has on....

bluegreygreen · 27/03/2026 09:46

Thanks @PrayForMyBum

Maybe he'll get to have a holiday before writing his judgement, then - I think needs a break!

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AgileRobin · 27/03/2026 10:45

PrayForMyBum · 27/03/2026 08:48

Closing submissions are starting today from 12noon. Looks like they'll be covered. Will be interesting to see whether AW's are short and sweet, like his opening!

@bluegreygreen as far as I know there won't be a timetable, as such, for a judgement. I know two people who have recently been involved in civil proceedings at the High Court and they were left waiting months, without any idea when the judgement would come. I suspect September is more realistic than May, but it depends what else the Nicklin has on....

I agree. Having said that much of the evidence is written and has been digested. Let’s hope for something earlier but given the magnitude your assessment seems very realistic

ThePoshUns · 27/03/2026 18:01

I read on X so can’t be verified that Harry persuaded Doreen to get on board by saying he would pay her costs but not to worry as it was a dead cert that they’d win.

PrayForMyBum · 27/03/2026 18:12

This is PA's account of today:

HARRY AND SIX OTHERS SHOULD GET 'SUBSTANTIAL' DAMAGES FROM PUBLISHER, JUDGE TOLD
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The High Court should make a "substantial award of damages" to the Duke of Sussex and six others in their unlawful information-gathering claim against the publisher of the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday, lawyers for the group have said.
Harry, Sir Elton John, Baroness Doreen Lawrence and others are suing about:blank Associated Newspapers Limited (ANL) over the allegations, which include the use of private investigators to carry out unlawful acts such as blagging.
The publisher strongly denies the claims, saying it had a "culture of professionalism and discipline".
On Friday, lawyers for the group of household names started their closing arguments in the trial, which started on January 19.
In written submissions, David Sherborne, who is representing the group, said each of the claimants, who also include David Furnish, Sir Simon Hughes, and actresses Liz Hurley and Sadie Frost, had "made good his or her claim".
He continued: "The unlawful acts were carried out by a range of characters: professional private investigators, some individuals who acted also as freelance journalists, and the defendant's journalists themselves.
"The acts also range across types of activity, and along a spectrum of seriousness."
He continued: "All are unlawful, and all offend the private lives of those at whom they are targeted.
"The defendant has never accepted responsibility for a single such act.
"This striking position has been maintained throughout the trial."
The barrister also told the court in London that the evidence of ANL's witnesses was in "a great many cases not relevant, or simply entirely ineffectual because they claimed not to remember anything material".
He added that around 70% of the claims come down to the work of four journalists and there was "incontrovertible evidence that each of them habitually commissioned UIG ((unlawful information gathering)".
Mr Sherborne said in the case of each article, the responsible individual at ANL "knew or must have known that the information was unlawfully or illegally obtained".
He added that as a result of allegedly unlawful articles, Lady Lawrence feels a sense of "profound betrayal", Ms Hurley has a clear sense of "violation", and Sir Elton and Mr Furnish "feel that their home, and the safety of their children and loved ones, has been violated".
In relation to Harry, he said the duke set out his "shock and horror" that ANL has used its "journalistic power and privilege to commit unlawful acts against him without any legitimate justification and in order to compete with other tabloid newspapers for profit".
Mr Sherborne concluded: "The court is invited to make a substantial award of damages, including aggravated damages, in respect of each of the claimants for misuse of their private information, and, in the case of Baroness Lawrence, for breach of confidence."
In written submissions for ANL, Antony White KC said the claim had been conceived by press reform about:blank campaign group Hacked Off, as a "political campaign", and that the publisher had mounted a "robust and comprehensive" defence.
He also told the court that the evidence of private investigator Gavin Burrows means that "the most serious of the claimants' allegations, and the basis upon which Ms Hurley, Sir Elton John and Mr Furnish, the Duke of Sussex and Baroness Lawrence had been persuaded by the claimants' legal representatives and research team to join the group claim, have effectively fallen away".
Last week, the court heard that Mr Burrows allegedly said in a witness statement in August 2021 that he targeted "hundreds, possibly thousands of people", including members of the group, through voicemail hacking, landline tapping and accessing financial and medical information for a journalist at the Mail on Sunday.
But Mr Burrows has since denied ever conducting unlawful information gathering on behalf of ANL and said that his purported signature on the 2021 statement was forged.
Mr White added that what was left of the claimants' case "was addressed and met by an impressive queue of diverse witnesses" who came forward, out of retirement in some cases, to "defend their legitimately sourced articles".
Mr White said: "These witnesses, together with the substantial number who were not cross-examined by the claimants, completely dispelled any suggestion of habitual and widespread unlawful information gathering by Associated targeting the claimants."
Referring to the allegations made by Harry, the barrister said the duke was "inclined to see unlawful evidence gathering, in particular voicemail interception, everywhere".
He added that the claims were "without any foundation" and that "the evidence at trial has shown that the information in the articles was sourced conventionally from a mix of contacts of the journalists responsible".
Mr White concluded that the claims "fail on the merits" and had also been brought too late.
The trial before Mr Justice Nicklin is due to conclude on Tuesday, with a judgment in writing expected at a later date.
PA Media

TheAutumnCrow · 27/03/2026 18:28

ThePoshUns · 27/03/2026 18:01

I read on X so can’t be verified that Harry persuaded Doreen to get on board by saying he would pay her costs but not to worry as it was a dead cert that they’d win.

And this from the Times:

White said it was a “particular tragedy” that Burrows’s disputed witness statement was “used to persuade Baroness Lawrence, the trophy claimant so prized by the claimants’ lawyers”.

Isn't it alleged that it was Harry that showed Doreen Lawrence the disputed witness statement in order to persuade her to come on board with the expensive litigation?

Big stakes, big prizes.

jeffgoldblum · 27/03/2026 19:17

CraftyGin · 27/03/2026 18:46

Shocking! And of course they want huge payments! 🙄