King Charles treatment of AMW vs PH

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Does anyone find the contrast really unsettling?

People can say it was wrong of PH to speak about the family etc BUT we cannot say that without also recognizing that KC did exactly the same thing - wrote a book, did the Dimbleby interview etc. In his case though, the late Queen did not cut him off, kick him out of his house etc. Perhaps because he was the heir and perhaps behind the scenes?

No matter what anyone thinks of the rights or wrongs of PH actions, they are not even a shade of grey to AMW.

Revelation after revelation strongly suggests that the family have known all along what they are dealing with.

It is probably why that high profile crisis manager was hired - it suggests they knew what was coming (how did they know?).

For me, this whole debacle highlights that there is real moral paucity in that family and I do wonder why we are stuck with them as our heads of state.

I completely agree. I have thought this for some time.

The RF are rotten to the core and no better than Trump and his people.

For the record - I don't think PH is rotten - he got out at the right time. He had the balls so to speak!

Couldn’t agree more. Charles is like his mother - weird, emotionally stunted, colder than a witch’s tit.

I would like to see the back of the lot of them, but if I were able to extrude the tiniest of shits about any of them, it would be H&M. There is, at least, the faintest glimmer of nascent critical thinking in H about the dysfunctional, corrupt and racist institution he was born into.

Another thing - the revelations about AMW passing trade information to Eastern needs to be looked at in terms go Royal family finances.

Did they too have advance knowledge of UK economic strategy and act on it/?

Is that why their wealth increased so dramatically over a relatively short period of time?

Did even bet against the UK in the currency crisis?

Brown's statement are really making me think...

That’s an interesting thought

No one did anything to Harry, he just got the hump about not being the heir and Meghan thought they could change that. They decided to leave and then cry crocodile tears and then want to reconcile, under their terms obviously.

If nothing else, it's reinforced my belief that the RF needs to be much reduced in size. All the minor Royals should make their own way in the world. No free houses and no expectation of 'Royal duties'. The public have no appetite to support the hangers on anymore. KC and William's family only.... and Anne of course.

The royals don't control their own finances it's the crown estates.

Meaning what though?

That they have no idea what is going on with their money, and also no accountability over what is done with their money or in their name?

nothing H&M have done has ever been comparable to what A&S have done.
its always been odd that the RF have been so protective of A. being seen in public driving him and so on.

What Andrew has done is not comparable to what Harry has done.

But then I'm not sure that what Charles has done to either is that comparable either?

What has he "done" to Harry, except continue to fund him discretely (against what Harry claimed), and apparently shown discretion in his communications with him (which is what anyone dealing with a loose cannon would probably do)? He hasn't visited, but he's a head of state who has had cancer. Harry wanted to step back and had a choice to rescind it.

Andrew has been (too) gradually retired and stripped of honours, roles and lodgings. He didn't want any of that to happen.

Possibly because of Andrew, they wanted a cleaner and more formal exit procedure for H&M.

But otherwise I think the circumstances are too different to merit the same treatment.

I always respected the Queen tbh. The more that's come out about AMW and how she covered for him, the rules she changed to grow her fortunes, etc etc has really changed my opinion and definitely not for the better. They're an incredibly toxic family, you couldn't pay me enough to join that family 🤷‍♀️

I disagree. I think he is exactly the same as all of them. The only reason he is frozen out is because he was dumb enough to complain in public about it, because he wanted the same slice of the pie as William. The problem is, William is the heir. Harrys job is to protect the heir and not air the dirty laundry, otherwise the gravy train risks being derailed for all of them. He is too entitled to realise that. He doesnt want to end the Monarchy. He wants more monarchy. Hes probably shitting himself that he will probably end up as collateral damage if the Monarchy goes down, because the only way they can survive this is to cut it down to the bone.The only reason they are all now turning on Andrew is because he also now risks derailing the whole thing. Before that, he could shag prostitutes and pass state secrets onto his mates to his hearts content. They could use their tentacles to cover it all up so it didnt matter. Now its all come out, they are all 'shocked'. They havent been 'shocked at the revelations for the past 20 years. Just now, when it might affect them.

Their wealth increased to such a large extent because the government, largely George Osborne and David Cameron (yes them of the austerity 'we're all in this together which has caused lasting damage to our infrastructure as a country) rolled over and let the Royal lawyers tickle their tummies when negotiating the Sovereign Grant and negotiating contracts with the Royals that basically boiled down to 'Heads, we win, tails, you lose'

What a great post. Agree 💯

The problem is ' William's family' are the next generation of 'hangers on'. Really, it needs to be Charles, Cam, William, Kate and George. Let Charlotte and Louis free. William wont do that without having no choice because he'd have to take titles from them.

I think it was more than that. I always suspected that H could have included a lot more in Spare than he did! I think part of him leaving had to be that he clocked the huge disparity between how he was treated as the add on spare and a son of Diana and how his Uncle Andrew was treated, in terms of housing, funding, and freedom from accountability.

After all the RF rushed to investigate Meghan’s alleged bullying but did nothing to investigate AMW when they had lots of evidence of his financial and sexual misdemeanours and his terrible treatment of staff. This issue alone would be enough to upset me tbh!

So I agree with you op!

Totally agree. And to me it applies to everyone's attitude towards Harry who now looks like he was wise to get out of that dysfunctional family.

The investigation into staff bullying was prompted by reports of what was happening to some of the Sussex staff but was conducted by a third party and asked about all staff treatment across the institution not just the Sussex household.

I’ve always assumed that one of the reasons it was never made public was because it uncovered much wider spread bullying and unacceptable staff treatment than just Meghan, it very probably covered Andrew’s behaviour.

@wordler I agree that the bullying enquiry probably uncovered widespread bullying and poor practices, otherwise they would have released it. There is no way, if it just revealed MM as beyond the pale. I couldnt believe staff who were arranging Andrews dirty wank tissues, being punched and verbally abused, having to run up and down stairs to close curtains were suddenly shocked at yet another entitled idiot berating them.

I’m sorry but no , what Harry included was mostly the complaints of a spoiled over indulged child, his own behaviour cannot be waved aside, he was ( as was Meghan) extremely close to the York family, and remained quiet because of self preservation.
they are as much grifters as any other family member.

For the sake of clarity and facts - let's not forget Harry & Meghan never wanted to leave.

They absolutely wanted to keep the taxpayer funded home(s) in the UK, plus Charles to continue finding them while they made commercial deals based on their titles in the US. And they fully expected UK or US taxpayers to fund their full security and flights while they fitted between soft Royal duties and fully paid commercial gigs.

Charles is more than likely still quietly subsidising his darling boy even now.

They didn't throw their toys out the pram for any noble reason - it was purely because Harry was finally told No, and Meghan couldn't cope with having to walk behind Catherine.

CharityWatch's on Archewell:

https://www.charitywatch.org/charities/archewell-foundation

https://blog.charitywatch.org/archewell-philanthropies-new-name-same-old-transparency-problems/

Very well put.

They are all appalling.