King Charles treatment of AMW vs PH

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Does anyone find the contrast really unsettling?

People can say it was wrong of PH to speak about the family etc BUT we cannot say that without also recognizing that KC did exactly the same thing - wrote a book, did the Dimbleby interview etc. In his case though, the late Queen did not cut him off, kick him out of his house etc. Perhaps because he was the heir and perhaps behind the scenes?

No matter what anyone thinks of the rights or wrongs of PH actions, they are not even a shade of grey to AMW.

Revelation after revelation strongly suggests that the family have known all along what they are dealing with.

It is probably why that high profile crisis manager was hired - it suggests they knew what was coming (how did they know?).

For me, this whole debacle highlights that there is real moral paucity in that family and I do wonder why we are stuck with them as our heads of state.

I’m not re-writing the narrative!

For a start, I doubt that the cousins worked out detailed agreements in advance because I remember there being quite a few kerfuffles over Hello magazine deals over the years!

And if it is now ok for them to do HIHO, why not ok for Harry and Meghan?

By many accounts the details of Harry’s agreement were presented as a fait accompli at the Sandringham Summit and only one set of binary options was presented to Harry?

Didn’t Duchy Originals have its own branding and website and sold jam?

Charles also co-wrote a book in which he criticised his parents and if Bower is to believed, supported Penny Junor to write a book rehabilitating his and Camilla’s relationship and reframing the narrative about Diana after her death.

Didn’t the tax payer fund the police protection for AMW and SF while they attended the Duchess of Kent’s funeral? Who signed off on that I wonder?

According to Lownie the Palace have sent out hundreds of legal letters putting pressure on former employees and institutions, in an attempt to stop Lownie acquiring the information required to write his book and have done so for years. Ditto they have paid millions to PR companies to make themselves look better? How do we know where the funds came from to pay those steep fees?

Hypocrites the lot of them!

Well, exactly. No Corporation tax is a joke. And also no capital Gains tax. It gives the duchies a HUGE advantage over their competitors and also of course means there is more to pay out to Charles and william

I doubt you are confused Jeffgoldblum

I am ! , as far as I can tell neither Charles or the RF have done anything to Harry 🤷‍♀️
please list what has been done to them .

@Driftingnotfloating9
What an excellent post

I am not surprised about Harry at all. If I were him I would be seriously pissed off.
His uncle, the ex, and his cousins were grifting for Britain. In the worst way possible

However, he made the best move ever. He left. With all the developments with the Yorks, being distanced from that was perfect
(And no, I don't need to see their leaving statement yet again)

Thanks Simpsonthecat!

The more I think about it, the more I think how differently H & M have been treated.

I mean, I don’t know for sure, but Harry’s protests about stories being made up or leaked about them, or embellished to constantly cover up what was happening in the rest of the family, certainly seems to make much more sense now, in the light of the huge cover up over AMW’s activities!

Harry and Meghan have certainly been a welcome diversion in the media. Away from what the Yorks have been up to
How convenient for the Palace! 😂

I agree that AMB has been ridiculously indulged in comparison to PH. No doubt there is not one reason but multiple reasons, including: stronger bonds likely between a mother and son than between a father and son - and PH's mother wasn't around to advocate for him; the institution learnt from AMW and applied those lessons to the younger PH; MM was high drama during her short tenure so HIHO for her and PH was never a possibility; and there is less deference and there is social media now, which works badly for PH.

It's not enough for KCIII to say they will co-operate with the police over AMW. It's too passive. He should recruit a team now to start the job of trawling security records for Andrew and 'Mrs Windsors' and searching the palace servers for examples of passing on state secrets and Financial information to Epstein and other contacts, and offer the evidence found to Berkshire Police. The evidence could be released in batches- 2021 - 2026 m 2016 to 2020 etc.

Precisely. They have all benefitted from the Harry and Meghan drama, and the endless stories about them to distract from the rest of them. Even AMW was, previous to all this, always spoken about in the same breath as 'And Harry'.
They have everything they could possibly need or want, people to do everything for them, money coming out of their ears, ever have to worry about their kids not getting jobs or not doing well at school, never having to worry about not being able to afford anything, the best schooling and healthcare money can buy. And they cant just keep out of trouble! When Harry wrote his book, apparently The Palace were 'wargaming' 100 things that they were worried about him revealing. What the hell have they been doing if there are 100 things to be embarrassed about? Let alone the lengths they have gone to to cover things up- the NDA's, the lawyers letters, the threats, just fucking take your excessive amounts of cash, your expensive education, do some charity work and behave like normal, decent human beings. Its not that hard!

He was racist to his son. But only according to the British press.

He cut him off financially because he wanted financial independence. But only at the end of the financial year.

He only ever allows him to visit for an hour-or-so at a time. But he refuses to stay in the royal residences, or even the country, so they can get more time together.

He interferes with (or doesn't interfere enough with - it changes with every interview) RAVEC so that H has to arrange his own takeaways when in London.

And he won't apologise to Meghan, of course. Or sell her jam at Highgrove.

Thanks ! I thought I’d missed some deep punishment!

Agree that KCIII should be taking active measures, ideally via some independent agency to review documents. However, we've no idea what he actually is doing.

I did find the wording of the most recent statement interesting, in that he used the word 'support' rather than co-operate, which seems to me to be deliberately aligning himself alongside the police rather than AMW.

And you're more bothered about that than the paedophile, child-trafficking colluding AMW.

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the institution learnt from AMW and applied those lessons to the younger PH

I've suspected for a while that this was a factor, @IdaGlossop

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Because the profits from Duchy Originals go to charity as do the profits from Highgrove products'

How about the huge profits from the Duchies, including mining rights and profits from windfarms? No tax owed on those profits, and now we don't know how much Charles or William pay in income tax because William decided he didn't want to disclose it and Charles followed suit. They had a very advantageous to them Sovereign Grant deal on the basis that in return, they pay tax ( tax that every Monarch up to George Vi paid anyway) yet they have decided that we don't need to know to what extent they are keeping their side of the deal.

According to Lownie, Buckingham Palace is rented out for lunches and parties! Isn’t that HIHO?

Or you just invite your seedy friends to run riot there and sit on thrones, like Maxwell and Kevin Spacey.
Or the Beckhams there for the daughter's birthday. Preposterous

(I am going to be using the word 'preposterous' a lot lot more 😬)

I don't think that's the whole story

@bluegreygreen

I did find the wording of the most recent statement interesting, in that he used the word 'support' rather than co-operate, which seems to me to be deliberately aligning himself alongside the police rather than AMW.

I’m not just saying this to be awkward but I’m interested in this wording too because I genuinely thought the opposite when I saw it, as my immediate reaction was, “why not just cooperate?”

Supporting an investigation could just be verbally wishing them well with it, rather than actively helping to unearth security logs and documents for example?

So it's OK for Harry to be a disaster tourist, try to undermine our First Amendment, insult people at his "awards" ceremonies, have a questionable visa and run a question charity here in the US?

Sorry, it isn't the 19th century. We don't want your problematic younger sons in the US.

Charles bankrolled him through his first year in the US. Harry inherited 10s of millions pounds. Why can't he live off his inheritance?

Looking forward to Tom Bower's new book.

Harry was very protected while under BP's wing when he behaved badly - everything played off as "boys will be boys"... underaged drinking/drugs, attacking photographers on the street, strip billiards in Las Vegas, attacking his own protection officers when drunk, grabbing girls and throwing them into a swimming pool at a party (until the butler grabbed him) etc etc