King Charles treatment of AMW vs PH

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Does anyone find the contrast really unsettling?

People can say it was wrong of PH to speak about the family etc BUT we cannot say that without also recognizing that KC did exactly the same thing - wrote a book, did the Dimbleby interview etc. In his case though, the late Queen did not cut him off, kick him out of his house etc. Perhaps because he was the heir and perhaps behind the scenes?

No matter what anyone thinks of the rights or wrongs of PH actions, they are not even a shade of grey to AMW.

Revelation after revelation strongly suggests that the family have known all along what they are dealing with.

It is probably why that high profile crisis manager was hired - it suggests they knew what was coming (how did they know?).

For me, this whole debacle highlights that there is real moral paucity in that family and I do wonder why we are stuck with them as our heads of state.

Thanks for these links.

Very interesting reading.

Very interesting.

Meghan wanted to leave the UK as she realised she would never be as popular as Kate and she really wanted to be a fairytale princess but then realised that would never happen (unless with a lot of hard work). She liked the idea of marrying a prince but the reality of it wasn’t for her. All style no substance as is stated re Archewell.

It is a bit bewildering to me how SF was accommodated by the RF for so long, she even got her laundry done at Windsor apparently, and she traded off her royal name selling Wedgwood china and whatever, and yet MM wasn’t allowed HIHO.

Prince Andrew, as he was then, allegedly made loads of financial deals for himself, alongside his Trade Envoy work. So the Yorks had in effect been doing HIHO for decades! And yet H and M were forced to leave the RF over it.

They all do HIHO. The cousins are all drafted into the garden parties now to 'help out'. They are all muddying the HIHO business, as they have for years. HMLQ was treated as some sort of wise oracle for everything that came out of her mouth, when often she was talking absolute hypocritical nonsense. AMW, not only as Trade Envoy but through his Pitch @Palace ( which literally used Buckingham Palace as its premises and in its name) was used so that he could skim off cash for himself. Is that not HIHO?

Yes! Absolutely! And KC3 and W preside over the Duchies which are huge commercial ventures which make about £21 million each annually in profits. Why doesn’t that count as HIHO?

Why didn’t selling Duchy Originals before it was sold to Waitrose count as HIHO?

According to Lownie, Buckingham Palace is rented out for lunches and parties! Isn’t that HIHO?

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She wrote 70 books under the title Duchess of York too
They both traded on their royal names

Charity commission is also investigating Earthwatch around donations with links to Epstein and a former member of the Royal household confirmed last week that there absolutely was double standards when it came to Harry and racism amongst the staff.

What is HIHO?

Yes and don’t tell me that the Royal Warrant. System operates with the RF paying full whack for their fleets of Range Rovers and Fortnum and Mason hampers or whatever! I have no proof but I suspect deals will have been made? If so, isn’t that HIHO?

Half in and half out.

Not profiting financially while working for the RF.

It’s a grey area though because lots of the family profit while not working officially for the monarchy as it were eg Zara and Peter Philipps. But I’m sure I have seen Zara at garden parties!

Oh, I see! Thanks ☺️

It really seems to me that "The Family" actually targeted PH, and his claims might well be true.

The King, was generosity personified with his Spare. Brought Andrew and SF back into the fold, placed them in visible situations beside high ranking members of the family at various public walks, events and gatherings.

It demonstrates a lot about his character; vicious to a son, but generous to fault with his own spare.

Or was it self serving? If the Spare is always around, and taking all the bad press attention, then the non spare looks good by comparison ?

Yes Zara has been at garden parties assisting the Royals.

And Beatrice and Eugenie have frequently attended Royal Garden Parties, including multiple appearances at Buckingham Palace on behalf of the Royal Family. They have been spotted at these events over many years, often accompanying QE2, Prince William, and other royals, such as in 2013, 2016, 2019, and 2024.

So anyone who says, they can do what they want, they aren't working Royals, that is not strictly true, is it?!.
They attend as Royals at the Garden parties, and then there's Ascot in the royal carriages and more and of course using their Royal titles to make money. If they aren't HIHO, I don't know what is!

a former member of the Royal household confirmed last week that there absolutely was double standards when it came to Harry and racism amongst the staff.

Was that in a reputable media outlet, or was that the person on Reddit whose other posts showed they worked in Greggs?

Remembering, of course, that the royal with a documented history of racism is Harry,

PH’s treatment is always going to be worse than AMW as PH has spilled secrets whilst AMW has kept his mouth shut. In the eyes of the RF what Harry has done is so much worse than Andrew. Unfortunately for the RF their loyalty to Andrew is going to come back and bite them and could even be the end of them dependent on what else materialises.

I don't understand that. Because Sarah, after her divorce, on Oprah and in a book she wrote, heavily criticised the whole shebang. She was the one I think who coined 'men in grey suits' phrase. Her book was so poor me, unbelievable and full of saying how awful it was to live within the Royal Family.
They let her back in though didn't they?

AMW should face congress like Peter Mandelson. PH & MM likely knew this was coming and I think rightly distanced themselves. Not that I like either of the latter, absolute grifters.

There are other members of the RF with documented cases I’m afraid. At least Harry acknowledged his wrongdoing in his book, and in public, several times over, and apologised!

The following information was copied from the Republican UK website:

Prince Philip? On various public engagements, he referred to Asians as "slitty-eyed", ridiculed Nigerian national dress and referred to Aboriginal people as "spear throwers" (to name a few examples). Uncharacteristically, an apology was issued after one visit to an electronics factory, where he said a messy fuse box looked "as though it was put in by an Indian."

In 2001 a black former employee of Charles accused the then prince of protecting his most senior aide after the aide was accused of racially abusing her at work.

Princess Michael of Kent was accused of racially abusing diners in a New York restaurant in 2004, when she told them to "go back to the colonies". And she wore that ghastly Blackamoor brooch in 2017 when she first met Meghan Markle.

Prince Andrew was once recorded using an egregious racial slur about black people, also whilst on official business. In a different incident, former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith accused Andrew of making "unbelievable" racist comments about Arabs.

If Harry and Meghan had managed their exit and plans for their life in a similar way to Harry’s other cousins they could totally have had a similar half in half out to everyone else.

Instead they refused to work out the details with Charles with regards to how it could all work re money, security etc.

They spent thousands on a website outlining that they would be continuing to collaborate with the Queen on royal duties while also making their own money in commercial ventures, while also continuing to have the UK pay for their Royal protection officers because they were IPP.

They tried to trademark the words Sussex Royal with a bunch of commercial products like clothing and stationary.

When told no to using the brand commercially, no to permanent protection officers, no to promoting themselves online as still working royals and no to continue receiving £3m a year from Charles which he was giving them to run their ‘office’ in return for Royal duties, they had a very public tantrum several times over - Oprah, Netflix, interviews etc.

And then Harry wasted thousands of pounds trying to sue the government for his security.

Nothing they have done has been anywhere near as bad as AMW or SF but let’s not try to rewrite the narrative that they left the UK to getaway from the royals.

These aren't HIHO at all, these are the Royal Family's bread and butter. Land owning is how the (rich) non-working classes make their money.

This is spot on I think.

Speaking out was obviously, well until they removed AMW’s titles, regarded by the RF as worse than consorting with paedophiles, passing on state information to unauthorised businessmen, and involving yourself with trafficked women and potentially committing fraud!

That is such a skewed set of values isn’t it?

It really is reminiscent of the Mafia’s omertà!

Oh that’s ok then 😆

Despite being designated as duchies in the times when we had Barons, they are now very much commercial ventures.

Charles' spare has been William for over 40 years! He would not even consider Andrew as his spare. He'd have done it to keep the bloody man quiet and -attempt to- prevent further embarrassment.

Then they are commercial enterprises, and need to be treated as such- paying corporation tax on profits for a start.

I’m confused as to exactly what treatment Harry has received from Charles, can someone explain what it is please?