What is likely to happen to the Sussexes?

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When the money stops flowing in? They are finished as a brand, MM has nothing original to offer and is tainted with the toxicity that has surrounded them. She personally has ‘bullying’ allegations and high staff turnover as well as her blatant dishonesty. There is evidence that they are no good at making podcasts / documentaries etc so no big income there. There is increasing ‘interest’ from US authorities into their financial dealings … what next? Surely KC3 won’t fund them, so how will they keep going?

Harry doesn’t get to decide anyone else’s opinion. If they expressed concern over skin colour, that’s racist. Harry’s comments have been racist in the past, so were Philip’s. We don’t need Harry to tell us whether they were or not.

If this epstein issue continues the Sussexes will be the cleanest of the lot.

Thing is, the likes of Sussexes, Fergie and Andrew and their offspring could go nuclear if they run out of cash and need to raise funds after being disowned. So the royals are stuck about how far they go cutting them off.

All this proves the RF need to go. We can still attract the tourists with the heritage from it - castles etc and have another framework for installing a head of state.

As members of the RF, they need to step up and make a stand. In their position, silence isn’t good enough. We won’t presume they think Andrew is bad, especially when members of tge family have covered up and paid off victims. They hide behind the not complaining and not explaining narrative but times have changed and on matters such as this, silence or some statement that says fuck all is not acceptable. If they think the way the majority of the public do over this, if they’re disgusted at Andrew’s behaviour, then they need to say so, or yes, people will think they’re still covering and don’t think it’s too bad at all.

What you are saying is that we should stop talking about Harry and Meghan because of Andrew.

I think we should talk about both bad apples. They are both bad.

I dont see much deflection actually. Everyone talks about both sets of people but for different reasons.

No idea re their finances btw and don't really care.

Yes Nora.

Sorry that was naughty of me.

Like in a sort of Mafia family type way? Should they speak out against Harry and Meghan?

Not at all. Talk about them all you like. But accept that people will see pretending they’re going to go bankrupt as the desperate deflection tactic that it is.

I havent seen that. Are they? I wouldnt be surprised as their main source of income has gone and they have expensive lifestyles.

It’s pathetic to have to resort to do what you are with all the Nora stuff. How sad.

If they feel strongly about Meghan and Harry’s behaviour, if they’ve lied etc, then yes, speak out if they want to. Although it’s obviously far less important than Andrew being a sexual predator, being friends with a sex trafficker and all the rest of it. One could be seen as a family disagreement, the other is a huge global issue, rape, sex trafficking, rape, abuse, misuse of power etc.

Well he's spent several years learning to surf on a fake pool. Who knows what is next? The sea?

I think it sums up your approach perfectly.

The Sussexes have had their big moment of fame with the Oprah interview. Since then it has been a steady decline. Harry is now a rent a prince to talk at any event. He is hanging on to Invictus despite the collapse of his other charities. Meghan has tried her hand at being an influencer and a seller of jams. Yes they caused a flurry initially but the same has happened. Any activity that looked initially positive eg mental health seems to have been set aside. Of course they will continue to be talked about because of the OW claims and the fact that Harry is a blood member of the RF. I imagine Harry has plenty of money to see him through but not at the kind of life he seems to think he should have.

What does?

Tarring a whole family with the same brush. Its a very narrow minded and unfair approach. Like 1950s gossips were portrayed on TV. Les Dawson did a good one too.

With all rogue RF members there is always a trade off between supporting them (and receiving public criticism) or not supporting them and risking them writing a tell all.

Does Harry have anything left to say? I’m sure he does. (A child’s perspective of his parent’s marriage and divorce for example)
Will any publisher risk a book with the Yorks? Far less likely.

How can the rogues future proof any RF income given William is known to be less tolerating. I suspect Charles will provide for them in his will which avoids heaping any burden on William.

This ^^. Completely agree.

If anything H & M showed good judgement to get out when they did.

Each to their own, but there isn’t really any need to keep discussing them is there? Apart from Harry’s court case, they are not doing anything that particularly interests or offends. You can easily scroll on by if you choose.

Compared to AMW’s nefarious activities, the things they have done in the past are not really comparable. It’s like comparing Everest with a cow pat.

Which kind of leads to the conclusion that some posters must simply enjoy being relentlessly nasty about people you don’t really know and it’s not a terribly good look.

At least republicans have serious politically motivated reasons to criticise the RF. And btw, in the light of current events, their concerns have proven to be more than valid.

I'd be surprised at that- maybe they reclaim the phrase similarly to gay people reclaiming the word queer. "Sugar" is regarded as a racist trope referring to slaves on sugar plantations.

Then again :

Sugar -Coating" Everything: The most common explanation is that critics believe these supporters "sugar-coat" every action or issue related to Meghan Markle, defending her relentlessly and refusing to acknowledge any criticism.

Irony and Sarcasm: Detractors use the term ironically to mock the perceived intense loyalty and "sweet" (or overly defensive) nature of her supporters, often implying that while they act sweet, they are aggressive toward those with opposing views

Sugar Baby" Reference:Some interpretations, particularly from online critics, suggest the term relates to the idea of a "sugar baby" or that the fans are "too sweet" on the Duchess. Others suggest it implies they are paid supporters, although this is a speculative claim from critics

A distinction from "Haters": The term is frequently used in contrast to the label "haters" or "critics," creating a clear, often toxic, binary on social media between opposing camps.

i personally think posters like the OP desperately want to talk about H&M, they are fans and love looking everywhere on the ww to find something to talk about.
some of it is so unpleasant.
its also a way of trying to stop people talking about the big issue (AW) they don't like that people are seeing how bad the RF have been for protecting AW so start threads like this, or ones about jam.

No you're absolutely right. They are boring these days. I have no idea why we are all on this thread. Let's just stop talking about them entirely.

You are providing various alternative explanarions for the term "Sugar". It is irrelevant to my comment which expressed surprise that the fans would refer to themselves as "sugars".

In their position, one that supposedly serves us, I think my opinion is fair. They can’t cover up, pay off a victim, be silent or issue short statements that don’t say much at all, and expect the public to keep faith in you.

I haven’t seen them cosying up to Andrew at all. And Harry should be standing on his own two feet just as he wanted at age 40

As someone up thread pointed out, discussing AMW does not exclude also discussing H&M. I have absolutely no interest in trying to stop discussion about AMW (and his odious ex wife) - I have written to my MP adding my voice to the growing number demanding release of the papers relating to his time as ‘trade envoy’ … in general I prefer a constitutional monarchy to a republic, but I can completely understand the younger generations sickened and disgusted by the behaviour and cover ups related to AMW.
it is disingenuous to suggest that M&H left the RF because of AMW, they left because M wanted to be a global star and influencer in her own right and they believed they had the star power to achieve this. They launched themselves by trashing H’s family and indeed made a splash. It seems unsustainable .
re KC3 financing them, he may leave them a large part of his private wealth, but a huge part of the monarchs income / wealth is Crown property and not in his gift . That crown property is exempt from inheritance tax, anything he leaves H &M privately is not.

You are being unkind

I'd much rather be in Meghan & Harry's shoes now than in the RF's shoes.

I think it's becoming pretty apparent the reason they left is likely to do with the way the RF has been operating, including (or mainly?) in relation to Andrew. It's long been claimed Meghan was the sacrificial lamb thrown to the press few years ago to protect Andrew and it doesn't seem without merit.