Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

Maybe they should have brought colouring books and crayons with them if they normally find it difficult to sit through a church service.

Not that I believe any of them ever darken the doors of a church apart from occasions when cameras are on them (which is all the more reason to behave with a modicum of manners, regardless of the occasion).

They made faces long before the last part of the sermon, and as to caterers and whatever sitting around waiting - laughable. We're they all going to walk off the job as soon as five o'clock struck?

Isn’t this thread about AMW? He has done far worse than sit and smirk in a church.

Thanks for sharing...

An MP wrote that answer. Imagine being that dumb <facepalms>

Very good post. This is the problem. It's the deference that causes people to turn a blind eye..People at the top are all in each other's pockets and kept in line by unwritten rules. They ' gleen' what to do at any given time and then copy each other. They dont break ranks for fear of something nwgative then happening to them. It'a like a giant gang with lots of tentacles. You can see how it works in the Epstein emails.

I think Tony Blair has really been coining it since he left office and so he's not going to spill the beans..imo he's a dreadful.man..An oily networker. And i agree. The level of corruptoon at the top is staggering...Ive totally gone od rhe RF. I have even gone off the queen. I used to think ahe was solid. Now i think she was weak. Andrew was clearly horribly over indulged and took full advantage of who his mother was.

I also think the late Queen was complicit; not because she was weak, but because of her well-documented avoidance of confrontation - similar to that of the Queen Mother if royal chroniclers are to be believed.

Thinking about it, no-one would rush to upset their personal applecart with an army of PR professionals ready and willing to cover up their family's considerable shortcomings.

I’m beginning to fear that Andrew will get away with it because the police and parliament or whomever that needs to take action, to start an investigation, simply won’t, out of deference to the RF. I can’t say exactly how but all of this sort of behaviour and motivation has to play a large part in the economic and social deterioration of this country. It’s really a shell of its former self.

I’d like Cameron’s support for Andrew to be remembered, too What an arselicker.

I went to a briefing once for a group of Australians and New Zealanders heading to the UK for trade talks. The speaker said something I've never forgotten. 'In the UK everything is dressed up with tradition and pageantry and subtleties around class, but when you dig a bit deeper it is always about the money.'

@DancingFerret I agree with you. When you have so many people willing to cover up for you if you fuck up and take the blame when it all goes to shit in return for another cushy job and you and your family face no consequences to your actions why the hell not just do what you like? The entire establishment covered up for AMW at every stage, and all the others implicated, but the AMW cover up stems directly from deference and over the top protection of the Monarchy from ever having to face consequences of stupid/ immoral/ illegal decisions, by everyone from staff to police to MP's to the government to the courts.

I’m beginning to fear that Andrew will get away with it because the police and parliament or whomever that needs to take action, to start an investigation, simply won’t, out of deference to the RF

I agree, @NoDrums, though TBH I've never expected any kind of prosecution or even a proper investigation, not least because of who else it may drag in

As said, if it really came to a pinch they'll claim that Andrew's mental health means he's not fit to stand trial

All I can say at this stage is that I have (a forlorn maybe) hope that every single one of the RF will feel total shame and embarrassment when they next appear in public doing their pretend job that pays millions above minimum wage.

What do you all reckon, will they brazen it out and keep cutting the ribbons for millions?

Not least because the police need to gather enough evidence for a prosecution and they seem to have been remarkably forgetful about events going on under their nose, losing notebooks etc. I know its Thames Valley not the Met, but is it the Met or Thames Valley who provide RPO's for Windsor and Royal Lodge? I dont know.

I agree with what you say. But avoidance of confrontation is a kind of weakness, isnt it. I also think that their often quoted sense of 'duty' is not very useful if it just translates as obsession to continue on regardless, rather than duty in the sense of doing the right thing. That's what everybody gets sick of. This faux kind of 'soldiering on no matter what'. It just comes acroas as buryong your head in the sand until it's all gone away.

At what point does this become too much? Any rational individual would’ve thought (like those of us here) that Andrew’s collective actions would finally be the tipping point.

As a PP said earlier, I think we missed a trick in getting rid of the monarchy several hundred years ago.

This country has never had a revolution of any sort, about anything, and it’s really beginning to bite.

I mean, I wouldn't be holding your breath for the first TBH. They always have the police to 'arrest' people for asking a question challenging them in any way, and their flag waving supporters who cannot sully their ears with any utterance that may mean they have to face any kind of accountability.

@Puzzledandpissedoff you are much more of a realist than me. Reluctantly, I think you’re right. The RF is staying still, waiting for it all to pass. It’s not good enough though that something like Andrew and his 18th century excesses can never happen again. His daughters will continue his legacy. The sheer injustice of it all is staggering, especially since the police have been very happy to arrest people for the treasonous act of a tweet.

But passing on state secrets (at the very least), in addition to possible participation in sex with underage girls? No problem as long as you’re in the RF.

It's Thames Valley who protect Windsor, @RainbowBagels, but it hardly matters; if one will turn a blind eye to what they'd rather not pursue I see no reason why another would be different

As for the RF feeling embarrassment before the public, that would require some kind of insight and integrity, both of which appear to be completely absent

There’s some news in the Telegraph about the three police forces involved creating some kind of joint ‘Andrew task force’ - with an interesting caveat sounded at the end.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/16/police-join-forces-step-up-andrew-investigation/

Police join forces to step up Andrew investigation
Officers from Met, Thames Valley and Surrey form national unit to assess claims in Epstein files

https://archive.ph/POfpM

I agree with so many of the latest posts on here. They are not going anywhere. What they are really good at is burying their hand in the sand / waiting for it to all blow over / positive PR for the core base i.e. cute children, new swish outfits, pulling a pint in a country pub, Charles talking farming, George off to boarding school.
And what is so sad is... people lap it up!
Nobody has ever been able to explain to me what they see in the RF, the people not the Constitution which will not change. I just do not get it. I want King signing papers if he has to, and that's it. Not interested in the rest of them, it means nothing to me.

However, despite Royalists support, there is now an embedded undercurrent of dissatisfaction I feel. And I hope that gets more and more. The Monarchy cannot go on as before. I want that polite gentleman who respectfully called out a question to Charles to be cloned and there to be much much more of that.

The Met provide the royal protection officers for the RF for sure. I am pretty sure TVP provide the policing on Windsor Great Park.

That's good.

I hope the investigation is not limited to AMW and Mandelson, but covers anyone who may have been involved.

Hillary Clinton is giving it out large today on the need for an investigation into Donald Trump’s potential involvement. She and Bill Clinton are testifying to Congress next Thursday and Friday, I think.

@TheAutumnCrowthis is a start. I feel slightly cheered. Interestingly though, I had to scroll down almost all the way in the app to find the article. It feels buried. There’s a comment in there asking why does it have to take three police forces; anyone with a decent investigative skills can follow the audit trail that’s been laid bare by the Epstein emails

@simpsonthecat I don’t understand the deference either. My mother was of the generation that loved QE2 and her family. My mom was 9 when E became QE2. We even have a book on Andrew, with him dressed in his RAF uniform, published in the 80s. She thought Diana was beautiful, but a long “allegiance” to Charles meant that she disliked Diana. More recently, she changed teams. Point being that she always thought they were wonderful and beautiful and special. Not necessarily better than her, ie blue-blooded, but there was
something . That generation is slowly dying out now. They never thought to question the status quo and bought into the myth.

I had a nice albeit brief exchange with Andrew Lownie and he agreed with me when I asked him whether the inaction on the part of the establishment re Andrew was due to fear and sycophancy wrt QE2.