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Optics Check: Waleses public support for Andrew: William and Catherine’s driving and embracing Andrew is a massive error?

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Foxypuppy · 02/02/2026 11:55

Are the Waleses and the Andrew Unity Drive A bridge too far? Seriously, why were William and Catherine protecting Andrew?

I’ve always been a supporter of the Prince and Princess of Wales, but I am finding it harder and harder to defend their recent excuses and petty behavior regarding 'family unity'.

Specifically, I’m looking at the optics of William personally driving Prince Andrew to church at Balmora Daily Mail report here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12449837/Prince-William-drives-disgraced-uncle-Prince-Andrew-church-Balmoral.html

This wasn't just a family carpool; it was a deliberate, televised statement of support. William was in the driver's seat, Andrew in the passenger seat, and Catherine in the back.

At the same time, we have royal commentators like Jennie Bond stating that William and Catherine would 'rather have Andrew as a neighbour than Meghan and Harry. Independent article here

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/william-kate-meghan-harry-frogmore-b2295732.html.

I understand that family dynamics are complicated and that they feel betrayed by the Sussexes' interviews. However:

  1. Harry and Meghan are a family feud involving books and Netflix deals, though they couldnt protect Meghan against racism, not even make an statement
  2. Prince Andrew is a man associated with Jeffrey Epstein, impliyed in e-mails to ne object in the death of a girl, hes a well known liar and with multi-million dollar settlement alongside much other bizarre stuff.

How can William and Catherine justify being part of the face of Andrew’s rehabilitation even after he was impliyed while being so publicly cold toward William’s own brother? Does anyone else feel like their moral compass is slightly off here? Surely a sister-in-law isn't worse than the Andrew crimes? Why he royal family and media even tried to protect him and only acted this year?

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BemusedAmerican · 02/02/2026 13:26

You must all have perfect families. I'm really envious.

AllTheReasons · 02/02/2026 13:26

Thedom · 02/02/2026 12:50

Some posters seem to hate that William and Catherine are squeaky clean! ( usually the ‘Friends of the Sussex ‘ squad )

I don’t believe anyone is squeaky clean. William isn’t transparent around tax for one thing and there have been plenty of rumours. I would hope he and Kate are nowhere near on the scale of Andrew and Fergie though. However, if what Andrew and Fergie were doing for so many years could be covered up, it’s silly to think other things aren’t being covered up.

AllTheReasons · 02/02/2026 13:29

BemusedAmerican · 02/02/2026 13:26

You must all have perfect families. I'm really envious.

I certainly don’t, but I don’t chat or smirk or take the bad people in my family to places in my car. A relative of mine is an abuser/predator. When I have had to be at funerals with him, I have moved, turned my head, not listened, ignored and would be incapable of smirking at anything he said because I know the terrible things he has done.

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 13:32

AllTheReasons · 02/02/2026 12:47

Is that where he was stood by Andrew? He could have moved. He also smirked at something he said and tried to cover his mouth to cover the smirk.

That wasn't a smirk

AllTheReasons · 02/02/2026 13:37

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 13:32

That wasn't a smirk

It was.

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 13:41

It wasn't.

And on that, we will agree to differ.

TakeTen · 02/02/2026 13:55

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 13:32

That wasn't a smirk

It was definitely a smirk.

William and Kate need to keep their distance and be far more vocal about it if they want to be popular and relevant. It still might not be enough to save the Royals with all that is yet to come out and the amount of covering up that will become more obvious. What a family!

TakeTen · 02/02/2026 13:59

Jbum · 02/02/2026 13:07

How can you be so sure they are squeaky clean?

If recent events have shown us anything is that even the most heinous of things can be hidden away from the public.

So no i don't think they are squeaky clean thats just what is presented to us. It doesn't fool me one bit.

I agree. If Andrew’s behaviour was covered up, literally anything could be hidden.

Lunde · 02/02/2026 14:01

Are we talking about the time in 2023 where King Charles is said to have ordered William to drive him? The same year that Charles invited Andrew and Fergie to Christmas at Sandringham?

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 14:04

TakeTen · 02/02/2026 13:55

It was definitely a smirk.

William and Kate need to keep their distance and be far more vocal about it if they want to be popular and relevant. It still might not be enough to save the Royals with all that is yet to come out and the amount of covering up that will become more obvious. What a family!

It definitely wasn't.

And as per the previous poster, we will agree to differ.

Lunde · 02/02/2026 14:04

Neither of OP's links work though.

I also think it was very clear at the Duchess of Kent's funeral last year that William didn't want anything to do with AMW

Thedom · 02/02/2026 14:07

Andrew and Sarah’s antics have been known for decades, it wasn’t ’hidden away’ it was out there but went unchecked. I would be shocked if William and Catherine had any skeletons in their cupboard, there isn’t even a whisper about unethical or illegal personal connections.

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Ukisgaslit · 02/02/2026 14:24

@ThePoshUns
Why the hell does it need to be ‘recent’
Are you trying to to imply that William found out about Andrew and Epstein along with the rest of us ?
Nonsense .

There was an attempt to rehabilitate Andrew and William was part of that. He was deliberately photographed with Andrew beside him in the front seat . Kate grinning in the back seat . The rehabilitation did not work of course .

He was seen talking to Andrew at a funeral . He did smirk or try to suppress a laugh in response to something Andrew said . William then covered his mouth to speak to Andrew and Andrew’s eyes darted around . No doubt William was saying not now Uncle Andy photographers are about .

William will do whatever he thinks will work best for his pr. But he knew all about Andrew - all of them did and they did not lift a finger until they were forced to.

oscilla · 02/02/2026 14:26

Thedom · 02/02/2026 14:07

Andrew and Sarah’s antics have been known for decades, it wasn’t ’hidden away’ it was out there but went unchecked. I would be shocked if William and Catherine had any skeletons in their cupboard, there isn’t even a whisper about unethical or illegal personal connections.

I doubt W+K are saintly in all respects, just like most of us.

However with my cynical hat on, even if they were dodgy or had any questionable friends etc. we will never know about it. The Press has a deal with them about photos with the kids. So if they say anything the kids are off the menu, so nothing negative is reported. That's what I think anyway.

Ukisgaslit · 02/02/2026 14:29

@oscilla

I disagree.

We don’t know the half of it

Ukisgaslit · 02/02/2026 14:30

Sorry @oscilla I misread your post .

Mylovelygreendress · 02/02/2026 14:33

AllTheReasons · 02/02/2026 12:47

Is that where he was stood by Andrew? He could have moved. He also smirked at something he said and tried to cover his mouth to cover the smirk.

If you look at the video , W and C were standing outside the church when A and S sidled up to them and started guffawing . Neither W nor C engaged in friendly chat and I @didn’t see W smirk .
As has been said before , W driving A two and a half years ago was instructed by KC.
The other link is Jennie Bind expressing an opinion . It’s not anything W or C have said .
But let’s not let facts get in the way of a Wales bash !

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 14:34

I'm surprised Spare didn't give us the low down, given it's been known about in the family for years and that Harry felt it his duty to tell the world what the RF was really like. He's missed a big trick there.

Ukisgaslit · 02/02/2026 14:37

@Mylovelygreendress
William engages with Andrew . He covers his mouth to speak to Andrew. If he was saying ‘sling your hook ‘- why cover his mouth ?

In fact the more pertinent point is that Andrew approached William with familiar ease . Just as he does behind closed doors no doubt

If you want ‘recent ‘ news the Mirror reported that William was v concerned for Andrew . No concern for the trafficked girls however .

Mylovelygreendress · 02/02/2026 14:43

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 14:34

I'm surprised Spare didn't give us the low down, given it's been known about in the family for years and that Harry felt it his duty to tell the world what the RF was really like. He's missed a big trick there.

Exactly . He was most upset that William had a bigger bedroom and more sausages . His wife was frequently sobbing on the floor due to bridesmaid dresses/ lip gloss/ shopping trips yet his uncle being a disgusting piece of shit didn’t even warrant a paragraph.
Funny that.

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 14:44

@Ukisgaslit He rubs his nose - he doesn't cover his mouth, and he doesn't speak to A.

Mylovelygreendress · 02/02/2026 14:45

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 14:44

@Ukisgaslit He rubs his nose - he doesn't cover his mouth, and he doesn't speak to A.

Edited

Thank you . I have just watched the video again and there is no way that was a friendly encounter.

SirChenjins · 02/02/2026 14:49

Mylovelygreendress · 02/02/2026 14:43

Exactly . He was most upset that William had a bigger bedroom and more sausages . His wife was frequently sobbing on the floor due to bridesmaid dresses/ lip gloss/ shopping trips yet his uncle being a disgusting piece of shit didn’t even warrant a paragraph.
Funny that.

Really funny. All the goings on in the rest of the RF and the behaviour of the men grey in suits controlling the narrative pale into insignificance compared to to A - and yet H (who is very concerned with MH issues, exposing the RF for eho he feels they really are, telling the truth, and protecting children online) hasn't felt it necessary to tell the world what A has really been up to. His silence on this is baffling.

Ukisgaslit · 02/02/2026 14:55

This is hilarious

And how does ‘banished’ Andrew approach William ? With ease . That is the key point . Andrew expects William to join in the joke.

William smirks . Then covers his mouth - or as you see it ‘rubs his nose’ ( which had the effect of covering his mouth )
Andrew responds . To what though ? To what William SAID to him

In any case William is ‘concerned for Andrew’

The cold guy William PR flopped so now they are trying the soft hearted William PR - completely inappropriate in Andrew’s case .

The PR casts around trying to polish images while the Windsors protect Andrew and will always do so .