Sarah Ferguson - just as bad as Andrew?

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So whilst Epstein was serving house arrest following his conviction for sex trafficking young girls, Fergie sent him messages - from the BBC:

Some emails in the latest release appear to be between Epstein and Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's ex-wife.
One email dated 4 April 2009, was signed "Love, Sarah, The red Head.!!"
It says that she was going to be in Palm Beach and wanted to have tea. The email goes on to discuss ideas for Ferguson's company, Mother's Army. The former Duchess of York refers to Epstein as "My dear spectacular and special friend Jeffrey".
She calls him a "legend" and says "I am so proud of you".
The financier was still under house arrest for his 2008 conviction when the email exchange was sent.

Ignoring the money she took and questionable business arrangements, ignoring Andrews behaviour even (that's in another thread). How can any woman, who knows this man is trafficking young girls, act like this?

Please tell me she no longers receives any sort of public funding/housing from the tax payer?

I think it means she will do anything, literally anything for money and doors being opened. She was busy trying to arrange tea at Buckingham Palace for whoever wasn't she...
I am at your service means I will do anything to keep on the right side of you.
She was totally in hock to him which is why she panicked about the statement she gave talking of paedophiles. She was going to get her meal ticket cut off, hence the humungous loyal friend, brother she never had, wonderful steadfast and loyal human being she called him
I wonder if she is embarrassed. Or just feels unlucky she was caught out. Personally I think the latter, she has no shame, and she's been doing these awful actions for decades.

We can be concerned with both at the same time. Sarah ferguson was very comfortable in that seedy world she has her place, she probably accepted a lot of it for her own means. She has imo no moral compass.

Off topic but am I alone in finding Eugenie’s Anti slavery charity somewhat cynical ?
I mean due to her parents very close relationship with an international sex trafficker - that’s slavery too.

It’s possible she is entirely sincere but she should have been advised that it looks like deflection as that is how charity is used by the rest of the Windsors
William loadsofpalaces - oh dear better look like I care about homelessness

William and Charles - massively excessive carbon footprint- better set up environmental charities

Sorry, not pandering this equivalence. Fergie can get a flight to the US anytime she likes, she's not going to be detained at the airport. They are not the same.

It really went quiet didn't it. She also had a podcast that vanished, maybe she was trying to do a good thing,and because of the absolute creep of a father it has been shelved, to save her face,

I didn't say anyone was "the same". Just that some people think that all Ferg is guilty of is a bit of greed and stupidity. Rather than a grown woman who was knowingly professing love to a sex trafficker.

Illegal? No. Morally bankrupt? Undoubtedly. As bad as a rapist? Absolutely not. Underserving of judgement? Not in my book.

Sarah ferguson among others have been enabling Andrews behaviour and should be held to account for that along with Nonce andrew

They both wanted different things from their relationship with Epstein, he wanted sex with underage trafficked girls and she was all about the money to fund/service her extravagant lifestyle and debts. Did she love Epstein? highly unlikely, she just loved his money and knew how to get it (see also John Bryan)

One set of behaviours is very much worse than the other though, so to answer the OP, no she is not as bad as Andrew (imo).

Pretty obvious everyone was floating around this man because they were after something, be it young girls, money or favours.

Disgusting, but nothing new.

This is quite unbelievable, what liars they both are. An interview with Sarah back when allegations of Epstein/Andrew were made.
As the author says... 'that's aged well'. Not.
She says Andrew is one of the greatest men she has ever met in her life. What a low bar.

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Of course she would say that.

i said minors. ie: children.
i happen to think those with parental responsibility (whether biological or otherwise) should be held accountable if they neglect, abuse, rape their children. You’re free to disagree.

I also think Epstein, AM-W and others who abused and trafficked victims are pieces of shit who deserve to be held accountable.

both points of view are entirely possible

Of course I don't disagree but saying what you say, but the parental responsibility angle is really diverting away from the subject matter. Proving something like that in court would be near impossible after decades.
I would rather concentrate on what the survivors of Epstein's disgusting actions, and all those associated with him, want. They are who matter

They are calling for more of the Epstein files to be released, they are going through the courts, they want to hold the federal government accountable for their law enforcement failure, they want accountability after being gaslit, threatened and disbelieved. There has been a perversion of justice.

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I would be pretty sure that a lot of the fawning over Epstein was because he has a lot of dirt on both Sarah and Andrew. A LOT of dirt.

the book by Andrew Lownie is both fascinating and appalling. The level of greed, arrogance and frank stupidity by both S&A is honestly unbelievable. The manipulation of A of his ‘trade envoy’ post to make shady deals for himself whilst on tax payer funded trips, deserves a public enquiry of its own. Heads need to roll, within government (of the times) the Royal Navy and Buckingham Palace.
I am prepared to believe that HM QE2 did not know of this, after all she had better things to do than be scrutinising the details of the then PA’s trips abroad, but people did know, and were concerned and did nothing.
SF’s inability to rein in her spending left her vulnerable to very very shady people . She (and he) are basically pretty thick , but both had intelligent advisors. I can only assume they were both too self important to listen.
this fall is entirely of their own making …

They are both beyond vile and to read what she sent him AFTER Epstein had been released from prison is disgusting. The sheer arrogance and entitlement that both Fergie and Andrew have displayed indicates they have no human decency whatsoever. They deserve everything that is now being thrown at them

They’re just desperate people - disgraceful

I don’t necessarily think she wasn’t sincere in her support for this charity. I don’t think she will have connected the two issues at the time she started promoting it. Now - maybe?

I'm just can't believe that they didn't walk away after his original conviction. Most people would wash their hands of someone convicted of child abuse. To continue any relationship with him was absolute madness. Did they really think that nobody would find out? And to involve their own daughters! Most parents wouldn't let him anywhere near their children

He had all the dirt on them. They were shit scared.

Yes @AmazingGraced, I agree. Same as Mandelson

I knew they were awful - but they really are repulsive! Cretins of the highest order. Goodness how on earth have these people got so much public money, attention and leeway for so long. Epstein clearly didn’t have any respect for her either - eg his email slating her appearance at her daughter’s graduation!! So misogynistic - and she literally threw her own daughters at him, explicitly sexualising one of them being on a ‘shagging weekend’. Honestly she is thick and disgusting, just as bad as her thick and disgusting husband. And Mandelsson… good grief, what a pack of reptiles.

The one good thing about the possibility that Mandelson might be the subject of a parliamentary procedure, police investigation or some form of inquiry is that it will also drag ‘Trade Envoy Andrew’ and Sarah into the mix.

There’s no way members of the royal family are going to get away with this sort of shit any more - the days of hidden moral hypocrisy, secret financial misdeeds and covert corruption are not likely to survive the new world of social media and You Tube channels. No-one has the appetite or the patience for the York clan.

She doesn’t get any public funding but she’s lived rent free in Royal Lodge for years, tolerated because of her children. She has earned millions and how she’s managed to squander it all is the eternal mystery as she hasn’t had housing costs for many years. She’s just a greedy fool.

@Bunny65 do you think she was a convenient cover for AMW’s activities? It’s always struck me as odd that’s she’s leached from him and the royal family despite being divorced for over 30 years even long after their daughters had moved out (and why do they have royal apartments if they’re not working royals)
She’s clearly condoned and supported and greatly benefited from being associated with him so perhaps that’s the answer - she had a hold over him, knows what needs to be kept hidden?

Amw was photographed today driving through Windsor park waving and smiling at passers by, he really is repulsive,