Sarah Ferguson - just as bad as Andrew?

[TheHaplessWit]

So whilst Epstein was serving house arrest following his conviction for sex trafficking young girls, Fergie sent him messages - from the BBC:

Some emails in the latest release appear to be between Epstein and Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's ex-wife.
One email dated 4 April 2009, was signed "Love, Sarah, The red Head.!!"
It says that she was going to be in Palm Beach and wanted to have tea. The email goes on to discuss ideas for Ferguson's company, Mother's Army. The former Duchess of York refers to Epstein as "My dear spectacular and special friend Jeffrey".
She calls him a "legend" and says "I am so proud of you".
The financier was still under house arrest for his 2008 conviction when the email exchange was sent.

Ignoring the money she took and questionable business arrangements, ignoring Andrews behaviour even (that's in another thread). How can any woman, who knows this man is trafficking young girls, act like this?

Please tell me she no longers receives any sort of public funding/housing from the tax payer?

Yes, I think Ferg is as bad as MW.

I've thought it ever since it was revealed way back when that Epstein held more private numbers for her in his little black book than he had even for MW (both figures in the teens).

All borne out now by her arse licking emails to her 'supreme friend' and now going on apparently to be including unsavoury references to her own daughter.

This transaction is entirely inexplicable on the face of it but it's not the first controversial property deal the Yorks have been involved in.

The ski chalet debacle was quite interesting and then of course there was the £3m excess paid by a dodgy contact to purchase Sunninghill only to let it lie derelict for years.

Did she though ?

Perhaps I have read too many conspiracy theory stories and become cynical.

It was convenient for some people ☹️

Couldn't agree more...
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They're all as bad as each other.

That bloody Eugenie barf 🤮 and that awful Beatrice, I just can't. In those blue fairy frocks too, begs belief

She’s utterly revolting.

Her email to Epstein explaining that she owes £20,000.00 in rent - today - and that is she doesn’t pay (today) the landlord will go to the press.

And then she says ‘Any brainwaves?’ Clearly hinting massively that he send her the cash. I mean what else could she mean. It’s not like she’s asking for career advice - if it’s due today then there’s hardly time for her to retrain as a TA and get a job and save up, is there.

What a grifter. If she couldn’t afford £20,000.00 every month in rent (like I can’t!) then she shouldn’t be renting this place.

All the way through she’s been chasing money, money, money. Caught on camera offering to sell access to Andrew for vast sums. And then she does the whole ‘Hands up, mea culpa, I’m sorry, I’ve learned my lesson’, thing - on Oprah or wherever - until the very next time.

Disgusting, greedy pig.

I don’t think you need a huge imagination to think she is probably desperately insecure and equates money with stability.

If this was genuinely the case isn't it more likely she'd have hoarded what cash she had rather than spend as unremittingly and recklessly as she did?

I wonder what Jack Brooksbanks’ family think of this absolutely dreadful situation that he is now living in. He was the other person at the ‘shagging weekend’ in 2010.

I wondered if it was her part of the ski-chalet sale? They purchased the chalet jointly post-divorce and then the chalet sold and Belgravia house purchased in the latter half of 2022. As they had been divorced for decades she might have been entitled to a share after fees/taxes.

I think the eviction from Royal Lodge has been brewing for some time so she would need her money out.

Yes, I wonder what the son in laws and their families think of all of this, I agree. They thought they were marrying into the royal family with all the benefits, the public feting them, Ascot, pap walks to church, official functions... Instead they are part of the toxic York brand.

The ski chalet sale was halted at one point for allegations of unpaid debt (who'd have thought?) IIRC and the owner having been threatening court proceedings eventually settled for a lower figure than originally agreed.

She went on to express disquiet about her discount deal when faced with reports MW had settled the civil case with a woman he'd never met with a reported £12m.

It's all so hard to untangle!

Mountbatten was known in the navy as Mountbottom because he fucked everything

Yes, I wonder what the son in laws and their families think of all of this

All the indications so far are they're happy to parade in fake gongs and lap up public support on curated pap walks.

We shall see if it changes.

Using Virginia Roberts Giuffre as an example: her dad was sexually abusing her from a young age (and lending her to an adult male friend on a regular basis), and intentionally sent her older half-brother out of state to reduce the risk that he would find out what was going on and intervene. Her mother had MH issues and was both in denial and, for large chunks of time, away from the family. When VRG herself began to protest her treatment by Epstein and his colleagues, Epstein specifically and credibly threatened her younger brother, a pre-teen at the time. VRG then left the family home and attempted to live on her own, age 15.

Her parents were criminal (father) and negligent (mother), but that doesn’t somehow lessen the responsibility of AMW, Epstein, or anyone else. Nor does it lessen the damage to Giuffre herself in any way (who in fact was categorically “victimised”; even your most misogynistic fellow travelers usually acknowledge that); it actually makes the whole thing worse. These dudes weren't just satisfying their basest and most selfish instincts with complete disregard for everyone else (and the law), they were actively and selectively preying on girls who had already been isolated and terrorised.

Agreed. She’s awful, but the men who stuck their dicks in groomed teenagers and children are many many times worse.

As always there’s a tendency to be harsher on the women involved than on the men who did much worse. As in Maxine Carr and Ian Huntley. He murdered two children, she wasn’t even there, she didn’t know about it, and the public were baying for her blood.

Andrew was the favourite son of the Queen and was the spare to Prince Charles for 20 years ( until Charles and Diana married and William was born). He was surrounded by people who were employed by his parents to say yes to everything. That is going to make you into an arrogant little shit who thinks hes untouchable. HIs Aunt Margaret had affairs, his father and mother had affairs, his sister and older brother were in a circle of people who all swapped partners constantly ( Charles was with camilla, who was also with Andrew Parker Bowles, who was shagging most of her friends at the same time . Andrew PB eventually married camilla. Before he married camilla he was also shagging princess anne). Sarah F had a much much older lover ( her father's polo manager) before she married Andrew M W. I dare say that when you grow up surrounded by people 'sorting' everything in your life, that you just assume that anything awkward, grubby, criminal and generally vile will be dealt with and that no one ( particularly whilst the Queen was alive) will ever have sufficient power to actually bring you down. You have the Royal connections the 'new money' wants and they have the money and lifestyle that you want and, as you have moved waaaay down the line of succession, no longer have access to. Presumably being on an island, away from reality, surrounded by young women who cant escape it becomes an utterly mind warping new reality .... .especially if Bill Clintons in the hot tub and Elon Musks wandering about. Fergie liked all the 'stuff' that went with JE .Her daughters were blood Princesses and I doubt she saw them as anything like the young women who were 'working' on JEs Island. She probably didn't give those young girls or their situation a single thought. They are both entirely revolting in every way but , if you grew up in the 1970s with Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris etc etc I don't think it's remotely surprising that they both thought they could behave exactly as they wished and that they were Royal ( and for Fergie , Royal by association) and absolutely no one could/ would ever touch them. The only thing Sarah Ferguson didn't do was rape them. I dare say she was knee deep in the rest of it.

Her father apparently raped her too so that was the start of life she had.

I don't think she's just as bad. I don't.

She comes across as a short of cash aristo, sucking up to the money. It's not exactly an original look, in those circles.

That presumes she has life skills that I think we are all very sure she does not possess! She is clearly incapable of saving money or living within her means.

I’m curious as to why @PistachioTiramisu felt the need to use inverted commas…. do you think Epstein and all the people associated with him are somehow the real victims??

Yep, Brand York is looking terribly Brand Rancid at the moment.

Totally agree. Their parents also need to be held accountable. They knew what the girls were going over to do and still sent them off!

Sigh!

That's a dreadful post of yours. Do you think everyone lives in a lovely little house with supportive parents, tea on the table and pushing them to do their homework?
You have not got a clue. These are girls who have been homeless, some living on trailer parks with a crack head parent, they suffer abuse at home, instability, many of Epstein survivors were from broken homes, in foster care, had already suffered some form of abuse.
They were easy targets for Maxwell who trawled trailer parks and Malls for vulnerable young girls and offered them jobs, openings as a masseuse or modelling, money, anything that would attract them from the daily grind of life.

I sometimes wonder if posters come on here to be deliberately provocative, surely it just can't be ignorance

It’s quite possible to think that Epstein, AM-W and everyone else involved in trafficking and abusing girls and women are disgusting pieces of shit while also believing that the abusive, neglectful parents of some of the minors should be accountable for knowing and in some cases, encouraging what was going on.

the two things are not mutually exclusive.