Sarah Ferguson - just as bad as Andrew?

[TheHaplessWit]

So whilst Epstein was serving house arrest following his conviction for sex trafficking young girls, Fergie sent him messages - from the BBC:

Some emails in the latest release appear to be between Epstein and Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's ex-wife.
One email dated 4 April 2009, was signed "Love, Sarah, The red Head.!!"
It says that she was going to be in Palm Beach and wanted to have tea. The email goes on to discuss ideas for Ferguson's company, Mother's Army. The former Duchess of York refers to Epstein as "My dear spectacular and special friend Jeffrey".
She calls him a "legend" and says "I am so proud of you".
The financier was still under house arrest for his 2008 conviction when the email exchange was sent.

Ignoring the money she took and questionable business arrangements, ignoring Andrews behaviour even (that's in another thread). How can any woman, who knows this man is trafficking young girls, act like this?

Please tell me she no longers receives any sort of public funding/housing from the tax payer?

God I’d love to see the pair of them on trial.

Sarah’s Trust has announced that it is closing.

Good, although the trust just seems a word salad of nonsense that served no real purpose, a bit.like Sarah really.

In the book 'The Rise and Fall of the House of York' there is quite a bit on Sarah and her charities. She would attach herself to one, or set one up, and any money raised would go on 'expenses' to her! She would use charities to raise funds, particularly in the ME, she undertook financial abuse of charities repeatedly.

I read something somewhere about this, she is the ultimate grifter

I was just having a look at the Sarah's Trust site and funnily enough this part jumped out at me She has travelled the globe to see the projects first hand and has personally raised significant donations for causes that share her passion for change.

Causes that share her passion, well number one would be The Sarah Ferguson Holiday Fund, followed by The Sarah Ferguson Wardrobe Society and The Sarah Ferguson Second/Third/Fourth Home Trust.

We don't need the royal family. They only appeal to the simple minded.

I suspect that AMW and Fergie have a lot of dirt they could dish on each other so they have stuck together until now.

I think the dirt they could possibly dish on the rest of the set up is quite pertinent to the deals being thrashed out on their behalf.

Some people’s moral compass is really off. In the late 80’s and early 90’s my mum would happily let a known and convicted child sex offender (who was convicted of abusing an extended family member) around us kids, including my young brothers. She thought it was ok as she never let him be alone around us but he came in the house for a cup of tea and she accepted lifts from him. Even as a young person I could never understand it and it made me uncomfortable. As an adult and now as a parent, I really can’t understand how she gave him any time at all.

My mum is the same age as Sarah - although from VERY different backgrounds but same generation. I just can’t decide if it was a generation thing or not. I remember my mum saying how her sister was touched sexually by a neighbour and their parents just told them to stay away from the neighbour.

Hearing stories like this though does colour my thoughts on her but given the support she has shown Andrew, my feelings towards her was pretty low anyway.

Hat tip AnunciataM on the Andrew thread.

Fergie as mother of the year was a sham as she hardly ever saw her kids

https://archive.ph/QclZf

As noted by Andrew Lownie on Woman's Hour this morning she also introduced Beatrice and Eugenie to Peter Nygard and P Diddy. She simply didn't care about the inconvenient stuff about them being sexual predators, he thought. The key thing was free things and parties

I am a similar age to SF. It was different pre 2000. Back when I was a 14 year old in the 1970s, dodging the sleazy men was completely normal. I worked as a part-time waitress in various hotels and avoiding finding yourself alone with a co-worker was paramount as it was considered normal for the men to grope anyone they fancied. Reporting to management would have been laughable as they were just as bad. The girls would just warn each other who to be wary of.

Years later, working in professional offices, the same applied. From the office junior right through to married senior partners and clients, there were always those that thought they could get away with it. Women were just there to 'entertain' the men. Over the years I have been wined and dined by clients who thought a business lunch or dinner would lead to more - I had to surreptitiously
ask staff to call me a taxi from many high class restaurants and other establishments over the years and learned how to politely excuse myself from difficult and dangerous situations that I should never have been put in.

In the 21st century the world is finally waking up to what has been going on for a very long time, at all social levels - not exclusively the rich and famous.

I’d occasionally ‘arrange’ for my boyfriend to be in town also when meeting with certain clients so he could collect me.

@Lunde - re Sarah lost £400k on her townhouse / mews (sorry not sure if the sale was last August or the one before) . If she bought it as an investment for her children , or to provide rental income to help out with RL expenses , she still has £3.85m before all expenses etc - she isn't exactly homeless is she in any sense I would recognise. Now, I don't know the ins and outs of the dealings with that property, eg was it her name , is it mortgaged etc but most normal people could find a decent flat / house somewhere with a million or two and then stick some into investments for income. But I suppose most people don't go through money like SF seems to do. & I don't know what debts she has outstanding obviously.

She really has fucked up. But I suspect she knows that now.

I hear SF has fled abroad, I wonder who she’s sponging off now?

I hear SF has fled abroad, I wonder who she’s sponging off now?

Quick trip to visit Ghislaine in the slammer? It's heavily rumoured that she's good for a quid or two and they certainly share a taste in friends.

UAE I think? Andrew is supposed to have a property there

What are you talking about? Everyone here was calling Epstein a pedophile back then and Andrew was beginning to be dragged down by it. And it is never legal to have sex with someone who has been trafficked so the age made no difference; we were calling him a sec trafficker.

I dread to think about the circle of friends you have if you all thought Epstein was fine and his legal trouble was only because the age of consent is different in American. He was a sec trafficker. Everyone knew that and he was being talked about for it. He wasn’t an ok guy to still be friends with.

Might explain why Beatrice has been out there recently, setting her mother in another country?

Yes i am sure he was " gifted a palace" as you do.

Yes I think the charities she was connected to should look carefully at their finances as it wouldn't be surprising if she was creaming money off them.

OMG. People trafficking is illegal in this country regardless of age. You are shaming victims.

Seriously worried by your comments

Jesus wept. There is no age of consent in regards to trafficking. If there was (there still isn’t) then Epstein’s 2008 victims were as young as 14 so still irrelevant to the age of consent in the UK. In 2008, which wasn’t the dark ages, an old rich and powerful man having sex with a trafficked 14 year old was disgusting. Having half dressed girls wandering around your mansion, yachts, private jets and private island, was massively inappropriate and not at all something a grown adult should ever be turning a blind eye to. I do remember being an adult human in 2008, and whilst things yes have improved since then, it wasn’t some kind of far off alien world where pedos aren’t revolting.

Pp saying we didn’t have all the information back then? Yes we did, it was published at the time, and anything ‘buried’ would have been uncovered by the huge network of secret service and other officials surrounding the ex-Prince at the time. That’s before we even look at the fact that the RF hold a unique and privileged position of power, and should hold themselves to an extremely high standard. They never really have done, and that’s why they should go. The late queen? Disgusting enabler.

@SargeMarge

It became clear later that I was thinking of the earlier charges, referring to Virginity Guiffre. I was referring to the time when we didn’t know much about trafficking. Many people have been throwing words around that weren’t understood when Epstein first hit the news. A few other posters have agreed that there’s a lot of looking back at situations with modern understanding, that just wasn’t well understood at the time.

I found this extract on the BBC which has a timeline for the plea bargain for his rape of a 14 year old in 2008. This predates the trafficking charges and makes clear that there were widely held views that he was a pedophile. The system just didn’t care about his abuse of women and girls.

I disagree that any of this was seen as acceptable and strongly disagree that there is generational element to the Andrew and Sarah’s behaviour. My parents are both aged 92 and would have been revolted by and shunned someone like him. In the 1990s when I grew up the men from my village would very likely have been given someone like him a beating. Not something I condone but I’m a bit irritated by people down playing how culpable these 2 are because before the 2020s we all lived in a carry on film where sexual abuse was widely accepted and respectable.

He was a pervert. They are greedy, morally bankrupt, contemptuous of victims and criminal adjacent at best. There is right and there is wrong. No excuses and it’s disgraceful that they have been protected for as long as they have been.

“In 2005, the parents of a 14-year-old girl told police in Florida that Epstein had molested their daughter at his Palm Beach home. A police search of the property found photos of girls throughout the house.
The Miami Herald reported that his abuse of underage girls dated back years.
"This was not a 'he said, she said' situation," Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter told the newspaper. "This was 50-something 'shes' and one 'he' - and the 'shes' all basically told the same story."
"He has never been secretive about the girls," columnist Michael Wolff told New York magazine for a 2007 profile piece, as the case against Epstein moved through the courts.
"At one point, when his troubles began, he was talking to me and said, 'What can I say, I like young girls.' I said, 'Maybe you should say, 'I like young women'.'"

Full article here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93n7yg47deo.amp