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StartupRepair · 09/02/2026 20:01

Is there any sanction for Harry and co for threatening a witness? Edited for typo.

Noodledog · 09/02/2026 20:51

CraftyGin · 09/02/2026 20:07

Bloody hell. And this mess is going to be costing someone 40 million pounds?

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 09/02/2026 20:54

I know, I am back to needing the 😲 emoji, and wondering if I'm being really thick as I don't understand why the prosecution continued with this case.
The amount owed must be ruinous to many of the prosecution.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 09/02/2026 22:17

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 09/02/2026 20:54

I know, I am back to needing the 😲 emoji, and wondering if I'm being really thick as I don't understand why the prosecution continued with this case.
The amount owed must be ruinous to many of the prosecution.

It is not a criminal trial - so no prosecution.

Not to say it will not become criminal if it is established the claimants lied.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 09/02/2026 22:37

GwendolineFairfax8 · 09/02/2026 22:17

It is not a criminal trial - so no prosecution.

Not to say it will not become criminal if it is established the claimants lied.

I did know that, but words do matter. But you get my drift, I just can't believe all these people looked at the evidence and thought, 'yep, I will risk 35 million quid '

bluegreygreen · 09/02/2026 22:38

Thanks @CraftyGin

Archive links here:
Telegraph https://archive.is/SX1Rb
Standard https://archive.is/6dTVQ

I am ... just bemused, I think, at this point.

So, Mark Thomson, lawyer for SF and SH, is not denying the emails between 2015 and 2017 existed - he's just saying the researchers got a bit 'over excited' and 'exaggerated' and 'made things up' and had no evidence.

He doesn't deny the meeting between SF, him and Evan Harris existed - but says he had no evidence - that he and SF asked him for evidence and there was none. He says the email with action points that was sent after that meeting (which we remember SF replied to) was made up.

Of course, there are no emails from him or SF anywhere asking Evan Harris for any of the evidence that he says he asked for ...

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bluegreygreen · 09/02/2026 22:47

He's obviously trying to scupper the idea that they knew anything so early, but in the process he's losing whatever residual credibility the researchers have.

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Lunde · 09/02/2026 23:02

I'm not sure why Sherborne called this witness.

I suppose it was an attempt to establish that SF didn't see evidence in 2016 - but she was clearly on notice that she might have a claim - funny how the "evidence" magically appeared 5-6 years later in the 2021 dossier from a convicted criminal who then retracted it in 2023.🙄

Reading the report of the evidence from the lawyer today - it seems that some of the legal teams are trying to distance themselves from Evan Harris/Graham Johnson and Hacked Off - he called them liars and yet his clients are basing their cases on evidence produced by these men. Worried about their professional registration?

“Evan doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” he told the court. “I’m seriously surprised and concerned about the content of this email.”
Other emails sent in 2016 and 2017 suggested that James Heath, a partner at Mr Thomson’s firm, had been “lined up to sue the Mail for hacking”.
But Mr Thomson said he was entirely unaware that his colleague was involved, admitting that it was “extraordinary” he had not been told and that he was shocked and disappointed when he found out.
Mr White suggested that his evidence was untrue. He said it was “inconceivable” that given the solicitor’s lengthy experience in representing hacking victims against other newspaper groups he could have been “wholly unaware” of a potential raft of legal claims against Associated.
https://archive.is/SX1Rb

... and I really don't understand what sort of solicitor would allow their client to comment in the press in 2019 about a dossier of evidence if neither had seen it!

He continued: “Evan provided no evidence at all.
“It was a fairly typical Evan meeting, where he promises stuff and does not deliver.”
He added: “He did not provide anything of use.”
Mr White later said: “You would inevitably have wanted to see that evidence and take a copy, unless you had already seen it.”
Mr Thomson replied: “I wanted the evidence, I wanted a copy, and he did not produce it.”
The judge, Mr Justice Nicklin, then asked Mr Thomson: “Did it not strike you as odd that (Dr Harris) said he had got no evidence when he expressly referred to having evidence?”

Mr Thomson replied: “Yes it did.”
In written submissions, Mr White previously said that Ms Frost “had at least constructive knowledge of this claim by the October 2016 cut-off date”.
During cross-examination, Mr White also referred to an article published by Mr Johnson in 2019, which Ms Frost has said was the first time she discovered she could have a claim against ANL.
Prior to the article being published, Mr Johnson approached Ms Frost for comment through Mr Thomson and offered to “hand over our dossier of evidence” that Ms Frost had been subject to alleged unlawful activities.

Mr Thomson did not ask to see the dossier, but accepted Mr White’s suggestion that its “significance is obvious”.
Mr White said: “It would have taken moments to send an email back asking for the evidence if you did not already know about it.”
Mr Thomson later denied the claim that he had seen the evidence at the meeting in 2016 as “completely untrue”.
https://archive.is/6dTVQ#selection-809.0-1358.0

bluegreygreen · 09/02/2026 23:35

... and I really don't understand what sort of solicitor would allow their client to comment in the press in 2019 about a dossier of evidence if neither had seen it!

Yes, not very likely, is it?

(Well, maybe a lawyer who recommended that their client brought a case like this ...)

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Lunde · 10/02/2026 00:54

bluegreygreen · 09/02/2026 23:35

... and I really don't understand what sort of solicitor would allow their client to comment in the press in 2019 about a dossier of evidence if neither had seen it!

Yes, not very likely, is it?

(Well, maybe a lawyer who recommended that their client brought a case like this ...)

So he's hoping to be thought of as incompetent rather than criminally fraudulent?

PrayForMyBum · 10/02/2026 09:37

Fascinating to read this from yesterday. Would be really interested to hear a legal take on what Thomson's evidence means for the claimants' case. To an outsider, it looks more damaging than helpful, and not just for SF/SH?

PA says Anjlee Sangani - the solicitor who allegedly prepared/signed off Gavin Burrows' statement, the one he now says he had nothing to do with - is giving evidence today.
Can't wait to hear what she has to say.

TheAutumnCrow · 10/02/2026 09:50

bluegreygreen · 09/02/2026 22:47

He's obviously trying to scupper the idea that they knew anything so early, but in the process he's losing whatever residual credibility the researchers have.

Yes, they’re caught between a rock and a hard place on the limitation rules.

bluegreygreen · 10/02/2026 10:18

Thanks @PrayForMyBum.

That will be interesting, given that currently the integrity of the statement entirely rests on her signature (and ANL are claiming that she wasn't there at the time and Graham Johnson compiled it).

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Wirrrrrral · 10/02/2026 14:56

I’m only following this thread for entertainment…..and it is so thanks….are the MSM legal reports questioning Sherbourne’s strategy or ineptitude etc or are they just reporting the facts or the day without interpretation

Lunde · 10/02/2026 15:12

Wirrrrrral · 10/02/2026 14:56

I’m only following this thread for entertainment…..and it is so thanks….are the MSM legal reports questioning Sherbourne’s strategy or ineptitude etc or are they just reporting the facts or the day without interpretation

Most of the MSM only covered the celebrity claimants' evidence - live reported them even.

There has been hardly a word on the more dubious testimony we have heard recently. Only the Telegraph seem to be reporting a daily article.

jeffgoldblum · 10/02/2026 15:15

Lunde · 10/02/2026 15:12

Most of the MSM only covered the celebrity claimants' evidence - live reported them even.

There has been hardly a word on the more dubious testimony we have heard recently. Only the Telegraph seem to be reporting a daily article.

It’s very disappointing that they think we are only interested in the “celebrities “ rather than the whole trial!

jeffgoldblum · 10/02/2026 15:36

Why now though? Seems very odd!

BemusedAmerican · 10/02/2026 15:45

Ok, I'm confused about looking up a person using a mobile phone number. I actually googled a mobile phone number last week to confirm that it belonged to someone who had left me a message since they hadn't set up their voice mailbox. It did indeed give me the number.

I've done it with numbers identified as spam on my phone

Is this illegal in the UK?

binkie163 · 10/02/2026 16:21

@BemusedAmerican it's called directory enquiries here in UK and yes it is a service that provided phone numbers unless they were ex directory. There were also white pages phone books back then, you only needed a name to find the number and address. Before it was all online.
Just read sky news Paul Dacre I hope he provided more concrete info than he didn't know as that is about as convincing as the claimants on the stand. I would expect him to have detailed notes on sources for stories. Obviously he isn't expected yo remember 30byears ago off the top of his head but he has had time to prepare his information.

PrayForMyBum · 10/02/2026 16:31

@binkie163 Dacre wouldn't necessarily have all the details on sources for stories. It's hard to imagine, but there are several layers of execs between him and the journalist - section heads, news editors, managing editors, legal teams etc. So unless it was a huge story in the paper he wouldn't be personally involved in all of the details of the sourcing. Those questions are for the journalists themselves, section heads/news editors and managing editors to answer.

Sherborne showing him all of these invoices is a bit odd - I get that he's trying to make a point but the person sending out the invoices is now dead, and Dacre wouldn't have personally approved them or had a day-to-day working knowledge of what each one is for.

jeffgoldblum · 10/02/2026 16:35

PrayForMyBum · 10/02/2026 16:31

@binkie163 Dacre wouldn't necessarily have all the details on sources for stories. It's hard to imagine, but there are several layers of execs between him and the journalist - section heads, news editors, managing editors, legal teams etc. So unless it was a huge story in the paper he wouldn't be personally involved in all of the details of the sourcing. Those questions are for the journalists themselves, section heads/news editors and managing editors to answer.

Sherborne showing him all of these invoices is a bit odd - I get that he's trying to make a point but the person sending out the invoices is now dead, and Dacre wouldn't have personally approved them or had a day-to-day working knowledge of what each one is for.

Shame Sherborne can’t be put on the stand and shown a list of all the payments his team have made to “investigators “ !

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