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bluegreygreen · 28/01/2026 23:32

Thanks @CraftyGin

Archive link here https://archive.ph/Fnfgp

I don't understand what was happening today @Lunde - unless, as you said, they're only covering the celebrities live.
I don't see that they've any report of today anywhere though (even a summary).

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bluegreygreen · 28/01/2026 23:39

It's all fairly unpleasant, isn't it?

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GwendolineFairfax8 · 28/01/2026 23:41

bluegreygreen · 28/01/2026 23:39

It's all fairly unpleasant, isn't it?

Hideous

Evan Harris is referring to how they milked the Milly Dowler case.

jeffgoldblum · 28/01/2026 23:46

Very suspicious! , why contain the coverage so it’s not easy to find? , it’s very murky and frankly makes them look more sleazy and underhand than the paper they are after!

Lunde · 28/01/2026 23:55

It will be interesting to find out what the application to a different judge is all about tomorrow.

TheAutumnCrow · 29/01/2026 00:17

That ‘dead children’ remark from Evan Harris is pretty f*cking grim, given that everyone knew what Gary Lineker and his wife had been through with his son George’s infant leukaemia. ‘Black humour’, is it? Seems more like cynical, manipulative politics to me.

This is Political with a big P as well, with all the Lib Dems involved.

Lunde · 29/01/2026 01:08

TheAutumnCrow · 29/01/2026 00:17

That ‘dead children’ remark from Evan Harris is pretty f*cking grim, given that everyone knew what Gary Lineker and his wife had been through with his son George’s infant leukaemia. ‘Black humour’, is it? Seems more like cynical, manipulative politics to me.

This is Political with a big P as well, with all the Lib Dems involved.

I know they use the same sleezy tactics and derogatory language they complain about the press using in order to chase down celebrities to give them publicity and visibility to further their own political causes - paying people like Mulcaire that served prison time over NoTW to dredge up (or should that me manufacture) evidence that their carefully, hand-selected celebrities are "victims". Dumbarton Harry must have been a godsend - happy to whinge in court about "his truth", Chelsy, Meghan, Diana blah, blah, blah, but not smart enough to see he is the dupe being used for publicity

It seems like a curious reverse
Instead of finding evidence ... that leads to a decision to sue
They decided to "sue the arse off" ANL first ... and afterwards look for evidence .... and recruited criminals that served time for hacking to "find" evidence.

Some of the e-mails appear to implicate Sherborne in the conspiracy

ThePoshUns · 29/01/2026 07:11

I look forward to seeing what today brings. @Lunde your comments seem spot on.

kirinm · 29/01/2026 07:45

Lunde · 28/01/2026 23:55

It will be interesting to find out what the application to a different judge is all about tomorrow.

Just to avoid any confusion, an application won’t have been made for a different judge. It is just being heard by a different judge.

kirinm · 29/01/2026 07:49

Oh, so it did go ahead. No idea what the application is in that case as trial seems on track.

NewAgeNewMe · 29/01/2026 08:09

Could it be someone is unwell & application to excuse? Not sure how likely or unlikely that is?

jeffgoldblum · 29/01/2026 08:33

Any news about what is happening today? , I’ve searched but can’t find any info.

PrayForMyBum · 29/01/2026 09:19

Well, this is all fascinating. I suspect we won't hear about the outcome of the applications hearing unless there's a journalist in the courtroom. I expect if it's something that benefits ANL it could end up in the Mail's coverage tomorrow.

Evan Harris is set to continue his evidence today, from what I understand. Wonder how big a hole he can dig.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 29/01/2026 09:30

The Associated trial does not directly involve Mr Grant or Hacked Off, but the campaign group has been praised in court by Prince Harry.

When the Duke gave evidence last week, he said: “I happen to think they do fantastic work.”

I know this has been quoted up thread but it shows again the poor judgement and lack of research.

As for the 'dead children' remark. That is not black humour when you are actively recruiting people who have actually lost their child. For DL to read this and know she was nothing more than a pawn to garner sympathy is dreadful.

tattychicken · 29/01/2026 09:58

I agree. I’d be livid if I was her.

Thedom · 29/01/2026 10:05

This is crazy!

Hacked Off won’t have much credibility left after this, neither will Hugh Grant, the puppet master behind the scenes, What hypocrites.

binkie163 · 29/01/2026 10:57

@RecoIIectionsMayVary As for the 'dead children' remark. That is not black humour when you are actively recruiting people who have actually lost their child. For DL to read this and know she was nothing more than a pawn to garner sympathy is dreadful.

Just awful her son was killed in the most horrible way, it wasnt through illness and that is bad enough, Lineker's child was seriously ill. Heather Mills reputation was trashed in the media even she wanted nothing to do with this.

Lunde · 29/01/2026 13:15

binkie163 · 29/01/2026 10:57

@RecoIIectionsMayVary As for the 'dead children' remark. That is not black humour when you are actively recruiting people who have actually lost their child. For DL to read this and know she was nothing more than a pawn to garner sympathy is dreadful.

Just awful her son was killed in the most horrible way, it wasnt through illness and that is bad enough, Lineker's child was seriously ill. Heather Mills reputation was trashed in the media even she wanted nothing to do with this.

It shows that Doreen was deliberately targeted by Hacked Off because she had the "right" backstory

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/01/2026 13:22

Lunde · 29/01/2026 13:15

It shows that Doreen was deliberately targeted by Hacked Off because she had the "right" backstory

I assume he was referring to the Milly Dowler hacking evidence.

I wonder if her recruitment was pre or post BLM? It wouldn't surprise me one but if her inclusion was to widen their supporter base that way too.

Lunde · 29/01/2026 13:41

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/01/2026 13:22

I assume he was referring to the Milly Dowler hacking evidence.

I wonder if her recruitment was pre or post BLM? It wouldn't surprise me one but if her inclusion was to widen their supporter base that way too.

It was part of their strategy for the ANL case as well - it came up in Evan Harris' cross examination yesterday where e-mails were read out relating to their hope of "suing the arse off" ANL

But they needed to find well-known figures who would attract public support for their calls for the Leveson Inquiry into Press standards to be reopened, he said.
High-profile legal action against newspaper groups formed part of that strategy, Dr Harris told the High Court.

(The strategy also involved paying for witnesses for evidence against ANL)
Dr Harris said he had made no payments himself, and said his role had been to approach potential victims of alleged Press misconduct to persuade them ‘to sue the arse off the Mail’.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/28/phone-hacking-campaigners-planned-to-recruit-lineker/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15507015/Ex-MP-denies-paying-witnesses-evidence-against-Daily-Mails-publisher-privacy-claim.html

IIRC Doreen Lawrence was the last claimant to come on board in 2022 when the disputed "evidence" somehow appeared whereas Sadie Frost and Simon Hughes had been actively working on the case since 2015/6

Ex-MP denies paying witnesses for evidence in Daily Mail privacy claim

Evan Harris says it was 'black humour' when he referred to Gary Lineker having 'no dead children' as he denied paying witnesses in the case against the publisher of the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15507015/Ex-MP-denies-paying-witnesses-evidence-against-Daily-Mails-publisher-privacy-claim.html

TheAutumnCrow · 29/01/2026 13:58

Sorry about the essay below but I’m poorly in bed …
TL;DR How I think claimants’ side tried to rekindle legitimate public anger against the media using illegitimate means.

What I’m taking from the evidence is that Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan knew that the wider public had limited sympathy for a bunch of luvvies. Grant, Harris etc however saw the real, genuine public outrage against the tabloids over the Millie Dowler hacking scandal.

Certain characters associated with Hacked Off wanted to leverage that powerful public outrage at the press to pressure the Conservative government to fully implement all the Leveson recommendations (spoiler: the government didn’t).

How best to enact this predominantly political plan? It was essential to get on board some sympathetic characters who were ‘national treasures’ and/or victims of tragedy and wrongdoing. That would hopefully stoke some renewed public outrage that the luvvies and Hacked Off could exploit. They only needed enough to lean on the government a bit.

(That it might give the Lib Dems a chance to pressure successive Conservative and Labour governments is not a bug of the Hacked Off system; it’s a design intention.)

And if the national treasures identified wouldn’t play along, then some outrage would have to be stoked in them to get them to play ball. Potentially through manufactured documents. And thus did a well-known non-luvvie or two become full of righteous indignation to the extent that they potentially agreed to a little charade, a jolly jape if you will, of dealing with the pesky Limitation rule.

Trouble is, Harry is no longer widely admired or the object of sympathy, and Doreen Lawrence now carries the whole burden of being the lightning rod for the right sort of public attention. And running parallel, the little charade that was allegedly cooked up is turning into a shitshow - and perhaps Doreen Lawrence realises this.

TheAutumnCrow · 29/01/2026 14:09

I wonder if Doreen Lawrence is trying to find out how much she’s personally on the hook for.

I’d want to know exactly how much, from a judge not Sherborne or Harry; and I’d want sight of the signed and sealed documents that actually, genuinely underwrite my potential liabilities - and I’d want to know if these still apply if I withdraw from the case. Call me picky.

In other words, how much am I personally liable for in order to save my reputation, and can this be right if I was misled into this?

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/01/2026 14:33

I wonder how much this case might have stoked Harry's personal disagreements with his family, if he were convinced to go against family advice?

Treylime · 29/01/2026 14:35

TheAutumnCrow · 29/01/2026 14:09

I wonder if Doreen Lawrence is trying to find out how much she’s personally on the hook for.

I’d want to know exactly how much, from a judge not Sherborne or Harry; and I’d want sight of the signed and sealed documents that actually, genuinely underwrite my potential liabilities - and I’d want to know if these still apply if I withdraw from the case. Call me picky.

In other words, how much am I personally liable for in order to save my reputation, and can this be right if I was misled into this?

I dont understand the financial side of this. Elton John is the only one rich enough not to worry about losing. Did they all think it wouldnt get this far? That they'd all get a settlement from ANL. What a huge financial risk they are taking.

BemusedAmerican · 29/01/2026 14:37

Can DL sue Hacked Off?

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