RF, William, Kate and cruelty to animals

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We don't often hear much about what the RF are up to with blood sports and sports that involve animal cruelty.

There's another thread on her about polo which I had no idea was such a cruel sport.

Yet William's happy to play. I know he believes his life's grift is pretending to save the environment and end poverty.

But in this age of increased awareness, more young people being vegan, or just more people more aware of cruelty, how does the Wales' involvement in cruelty to animals place them for future success as monarchs. Particularly when said younger people don't support them in the same way older people do.

Or is this all going to be underreported, and they'll do the usual shooting, and polo playing, etcetera, widening the gap between their relevance and younger people's expectations.

Wills in action! Prince of Wales shows off his polo skills in annual Windsor charity match - as cousin Peter Phillips and his new flame Harriet Sperling turn out in support | Daily Mail Online https://share.google/nsikS4mu2WWF6dEHs

You don’t have to be a vegetarian to think killing things for fun is not acceptable.

I agree with you here! 👍

Maybe not, but you're a bit of a hypocrite if you worry about cruelty to pheasants and partridge while happily eating chicken nuggets.

Do you have evidence that they still hunt/ shoot ? Apart from an article from 5 years ago ?

I think animals being killed as humanely as possible for meat is acceptable. I have serious concerns with them being killed-or worse, winged- for fun. In the same way I understand that wild deer need to be culled. But by a skilled professional, not by a amateur for fun.

We should declare a national holiday! Maybe next week sometime?🤣

Not sure if I’m free?! 😉🤣

Hunting is now trail hunting, so no blood involved. I am sure some hunts are more compliant than others, but there is no reason to think the hunt(s) William goes out with are not legally compliant?

Grouse are wild. You're thinking of pheasants or partridge.

Well that makes it all so much better 🙄

While the royals may not be deliberately breeding their shooting targets the Balmoral moors are artificially manipulated causing environmental damage to encourage the grouse to breed and have been since Victoria bought it.

The UK landscape has been, and still is, overwhelmingly 'artificially manipulated'.

The image we have of 'the countryside' is man made over centuries of agricultural change.

Well yes.

But in the main part it's not to accomodate a bunch of bloodthirsty toffs intent on murdering the local wildlife for fun.

All too often to accommodate a bunch of toffs wanting to screw over the poor...

I don't really understand what you mean by this.

Please can you elaborate?

And can I ask who thinks it's OK for Phil to not only have set himself a target of around 200 kills a day but to have congratulated himself on meeting it?

That's one 'sports'man's tally out of who knows how many in the party.

If they really are chowing down on the lot they must have ended up pretty much choking on it.

I’ve just seen your post Cathy and didn’t want to leave you hanging but do forgive my vague non answer.
im not sure, i haven’t heard or thought about it but I’m not entirely against shooting birds depending on the situation. Growing up near farming communities I’m less squeamish about certain things, no I don’t think celebrating is a good thing, if the birds are given to others and not wasted then no , I don’t have an issue.

@Errolwasahero What a load of rubbish! Many horses are kept in stables and very many are turned out too. You are unbelievably ignorant.

Unfortunately man has to intervene in nature. As noted, over thousands of years we have changed the landscape, and one consequence is that we no longer have the apex predators we once had. Therefore, sadly, whether deer or boar or rabbit or pigeon, they need to be controlled, and shooting is a good way. In many ways it's probably way better than being run down by a wolf and ripped apart.

Land grabs from tenant farmers, peasants on free / common lands?

It’s probably a much better way to die than a one way trip to the abattoir too.

If the shooting is done by a professional who knows their job then possibly. Certainly if you’re something big enough to warrant a rifle and lucky. Or you’re small and very very lucky.

There was a time when working-class people in this country would have known how to get the fur off a rabbit or hare and how to gut it, and the same with plucking and drawing pheasants and partridges. I have plucked and drawn a pheasant. I still see some farmers have a little walk over a field on a Saturday morning in this winter season. Shooting has not been only the preserve of the 'toffs'.
I don't feel that the pheasant's death is worse than the life and death of the chicken in the supermarket. I have a couple of pheasants in the freezer and I must make salmi (stew) soon. I bought them in a farm shop place.
I don't think the people who go shooting are bloodthirsty. I guess they are keen to be accurate.
I don't like to think that food is wasted. I am sorry if a lot is wasted. Presumably a poulterer firm paid someone for the two pheasants I bought and then did the plucking and drawing and freezing and charged me for doing it.
People keep saying how poor the country is but many would not eat offal like liver or kidney, or gut a rabbit. All the meat in the shops has been an animal somewhere and killed somehow.

The wild animals will have had a much better, and probably longer life than those who end up on supermarket shelves too.
I’m not a (complete) vegetarian, but I deplore the way we treat a lot of the animals that end up on our plates. I’d prefer to eat something that was shot in the wild than a supermarket chicken, given the option.

A lady I know rehomed some chickens (clearly bred as battery hens), they were very straggly looking with such huge breasts they could hardly walk about outside.

So because battery rearing chicken is a complete abomination it’s OK to kill other animals for fun. Right.

I don't feel that the pheasant's death is worse than the life and death of the chicken in the supermarket.

How do you feel about the deliberate destruction of natural moorland to promote the proliferation of one bird species designated as a sporting target?