RF, William, Kate and cruelty to animals

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We don't often hear much about what the RF are up to with blood sports and sports that involve animal cruelty.

There's another thread on her about polo which I had no idea was such a cruel sport.

Yet William's happy to play. I know he believes his life's grift is pretending to save the environment and end poverty.

But in this age of increased awareness, more young people being vegan, or just more people more aware of cruelty, how does the Wales' involvement in cruelty to animals place them for future success as monarchs. Particularly when said younger people don't support them in the same way older people do.

Or is this all going to be underreported, and they'll do the usual shooting, and polo playing, etcetera, widening the gap between their relevance and younger people's expectations.

Wills in action! Prince of Wales shows off his polo skills in annual Windsor charity match - as cousin Peter Phillips and his new flame Harriet Sperling turn out in support | Daily Mail Online https://share.google/nsikS4mu2WWF6dEHs

'Well looked after' is open to debate. They may be fit, have shiny coats, be well fed etc and therefore look to the casual eye to be cared for but that's not meeting horses basic needs. Freedom, forage and friends. They're herd animals. Kept in individual stables is really problematic. It's akin to keeping dogs constantly in a cage. They need social contact. It's why so many develop repetitive behaviours.

Deer need to be culled. Shooting can be the best, least stressful way to do it. There are professionals available to do the job.

Children need to know where meat comes from. Taking them to a shoot is going to give them a very strange view of where their chicken nuggets come from.

Breeding animals to kill for sport is unacceptable on any level. And no, they are not all eaten.

Looks like a campaign to me

I suspect children taken on shoots would have chicken goujons, not chicken nuggets 😆

Have I missed the annual are the Sussexes going to Sandringham discussion ?

Or Guide Dogs. Utterly mental.

Of course the Vegan Society are going to put out figures that promote themselves! And it's a very sweeping generalisation - twice as likely? As in 0.5% to 1%? The age grouping is ludicrous, basically anyone under 64.

Looking at trends for current under 25s I don't think anyone can predict anything much tbh. A huge number smoke/vape, their politics verge on extreme (left & right, quite a bit more right depending on sex). It certainly raises more questions than answers and I don't think anything can be assumed.

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Pretty sure the only reason Harry doesn’t go on grouse shoots or stalking weekends is the unaccountable dearth of such activities in California! He certainly would if he could. It’s in their DNA.

What’s weird is to bring yet more Harry hate to a RF post when he has given up hunting, not having done so for almost a decade, and yet William and Kate still do it, and have introduced their son to the sport as well. This is despite them trying to big up their conservationist credentials.

Does anyone else remember the 6000 mink PETA released into the New Forest, from a farm that was in the process of winding down and would be closed when the stock depleted?

Half the mink died within a week leaving behind an environmental mess to clean up. The remainder went on to attack wildlife (one of the few species who do that for fun not just food) ponies, domestic pets and even babies in prams. They were coming in to gardens and houses and caused a major problem.

None of it was good for the mink, let alone the local wildlife.

I was working at a vets in the forest when that went on - such a good thing they did 🙄🙄🙄

It doesn't chime with what his future people (for want of a better word) expect in modern times.

Haven't RTFT yet but this is what I've been saying about the royal passion for vicious blood 'sports' (I'm including Polo in that) for years.

It would be such an easy PR win for C3 and/or W to commit to giving the barbarity up but they don't.

grouse population needs to be controlled,

Maybe then the royals could play their part by stopping breeding them deliberately.

Pro or anti blood sports I think that PR wise I'd have thought its not a massively important issue for the royal family.

I would imagine that most of the hard core Royalist supporters are likely to come from the aristocracy, then those closest to aristocracy, probably the 'country set' who move in similar circles, maybe generational country folk who don't have a problem with inheriting large amounts of land, then dwindling support amongst the upwardly mobile, and probably some more hard support amongst the patriotic salt of the earth Brits. For the hard core royalists who are patriotic to the point where they care not if the family are exploiting them the royals can do no wrong.

A large portion of those I expect to be supporters are likely to be the country types who also participate in blood sports. So preaching to them that their hobbies are barbaric and they should all be vegan would loose them support not gain it. The upwardly mobile, self made, vegan republicans are not suddenly going to go all doe eyed for the royals just because they appose animal cruelty, they are too smart to fall for the marketing.

So they may as well carry on doing what they do.

So they may as well carry on doing what they do.

They're clearly applying that reverse win principle to quite a few areas of their lives.

Harry is a member of the RF. He is not an outlier. He was brought up with a sense of entitlement and was brought up around the killing of animals. His grandfather loved a bit of big game hunting despite being President of WWF. Just because he flounced off doesn't mean that everything that was fine while he was in the fold is suddenly awful it means hes not being protected any more. The rest of them still are.

Shocking article here about the royals' obsession with blasting birds and animals out of existence:

https://protectthewild.org.uk/shooting-2/the-royals-must-be-called-out-for-their-obsession-with-wildlife-slaughter/

Philip met his 'target' of 10,000 birds over just one seven week binge 😡

Royal family supporters who turn out in London or indeed elsewhere are not the aristocracy. They are usually just lovers of all things Royal with time on their hands. Ordinary folk who don’t mind spending money on transport and hanging around all day. They probably don’t care one fig about a dead grouse or fish. They don’t associate the RF with anything untoward regarding animals and certainly don’t care about polo ponies!

Does she have " learns" like the Princess Meghan?

Grouse are wild. You're thinking of pheasants or partridge.

I have quite a few issues with shooting, such as the deliberate introduction of non-native species and its effect on the countryside. However in terms of cruelty to the birds, it is unquestionably far, far less cruel than farming chickens and I include free range chickens in that. So hopefully everyone grumbling about it is also vegetarian.

Grouse are wild but many of them are helped to breed by the landowner who wants to shoot them. I think there'd be fewer of them on traditional grouse moors if conditions weren't optimised by the type of land management carried out.

What do you mean by “optimised “ ? , what type of land management?

Polo is cruel because of the things listed, and because all horses used for ‘sport’ are kept in prisons and fed high impact diets that can give them ulcers; same as race horses.
Horses need to live in fields and eat grass and hay, at the very least.
No horse would choose the lives they are forced to live.

Apologies @Ebok1990 , totally what you said!