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Duke of Sussex security to be reviewed

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bluegreygreen · 08/12/2025 00:54

The Duke of Sussex lost his argument in the Court of Appeal in May for automatic taxpayer security: the current arrangement is that his security needs are assessed on a case-by-case basis provided he gives notice.

He has recently been in touch with the new Home Secretary, and the latest update is that RAVEC has asked its Risk Management Board (RMB) to reassess his threat level.

Telegraph archive link

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My2cents1975 · 14/12/2025 16:37

Edward's restraint in using his children's titles has served them well in a less deferential era. Louise, even though she is as much of a Princess as her cousins Beatrice & Eugenie, flies mostly under the radar living her best life.

If H had any sort of sense, he would have followed this path, especially since he lives in a Republic complete with anti-Trump "No Kings" protests. H&M's children will run the gauntlets of both middle and high school in America where their peers will likely have much more money than H&M with their delusions of importance such as being announced in empty rooms.

NewAgeNewMe · 14/12/2025 16:45

Lady Louise clearly has sensible parents. Harry and Andrew could learn a lot from them.

Mylovelygreendress · 14/12/2025 16:47

Theunamedcat · 14/12/2025 16:34

She doesn't choose to be styled in that manner though she just uses lady louise

The point is that she could use the title.

BasiliskStare · 14/12/2025 16:51

My2cents1975 · 14/12/2025 16:37

Edward's restraint in using his children's titles has served them well in a less deferential era. Louise, even though she is as much of a Princess as her cousins Beatrice & Eugenie, flies mostly under the radar living her best life.

If H had any sort of sense, he would have followed this path, especially since he lives in a Republic complete with anti-Trump "No Kings" protests. H&M's children will run the gauntlets of both middle and high school in America where their peers will likely have much more money than H&M with their delusions of importance such as being announced in empty rooms.

Amen to that 👏 😊

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 17:07

BasiliskStare · 14/12/2025 15:02

According Richard Eden , Harry wants to educate his children in the UK told to him by a friend of H's . Now if this rather vague claim is true perhaps that is why H is lobbying. RE believes there is a push to "warm up" H&M's relationship with the RF and the British Public prior to H and his family spending more time here.
I reckon even if this is true whoever has an uphill task with the public

I hardly think Meghan would commit her children to an education that would mean her losing control of them, in a nation she despises.

Ohpleeeease · 14/12/2025 17:22

lickingfingertastingfood · 14/12/2025 15:06

I don't think this is surprising. Just because someone has estranged themself it's not surprising that a family member would still have their photo up despite how horrible they have been. I'm sure there is sadness underneath.

It’s unlikely that the photo of Harry and Meghan on Camilla’s table was an accident (I think there was another smaller one of them too).

What isn’t clear is what message it was intended to send. Could be Camilla wants it to be known she isn’t the evil stepmother in this scenario.

Thedom · 14/12/2025 17:34

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 14:32

Here's my theory. Shabana Mahmood, a sensible and efficient woman, knew she had to respond to Harry's letter. She suggested to the Royal family via civil servants that it would be reasonable to conduct a review after 5+ years without one. She and the Royal family hope the review will provide evidence the current arrangement is the maximum that is appropriate for Harry's reduced threat level. She and the royals know that the public is in no mood to stomach publicly funded costs for on-demand, armed security.

I wonder if they are possibly doing a review of the Yorks? Andrew is moving out of Royal Lodge, the public outrage against him and the rumours about Epstein being murdered, might all necessitate a security review, so rather than a special review for Harry he is just being piggybacked onto that review.

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 17:39

Thedom · 14/12/2025 17:34

I wonder if they are possibly doing a review of the Yorks? Andrew is moving out of Royal Lodge, the public outrage against him and the rumours about Epstein being murdered, might all necessitate a security review, so rather than a special review for Harry he is just being piggybacked onto that review.

That's a thought. It seems quite plausible.

IcedPurple · 14/12/2025 17:50

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 14:32

Here's my theory. Shabana Mahmood, a sensible and efficient woman, knew she had to respond to Harry's letter. She suggested to the Royal family via civil servants that it would be reasonable to conduct a review after 5+ years without one. She and the Royal family hope the review will provide evidence the current arrangement is the maximum that is appropriate for Harry's reduced threat level. She and the royals know that the public is in no mood to stomach publicly funded costs for on-demand, armed security.

Harry was really foolish to make his 'secooridee' a matter for public discussion.

Prior to Mexit and him making a song and dance of how his eevil family 'stripped him of security' did anyone ever give a thought to the security arrangements for minor royals? Such matters are highly sensitive and confidential. Nobody who is genuinely concerned about being unsafe would draw attention to what he considers his inadequate security. But then this has never been about security, but ego and status.

IcedPurple · 14/12/2025 17:54

BasiliskStare · 14/12/2025 15:02

According Richard Eden , Harry wants to educate his children in the UK told to him by a friend of H's . Now if this rather vague claim is true perhaps that is why H is lobbying. RE believes there is a push to "warm up" H&M's relationship with the RF and the British Public prior to H and his family spending more time here.
I reckon even if this is true whoever has an uphill task with the public

It doesn't really matter what Hary wants. There is no way Meghan will allow her children to be educated in Britain. Those kids are going to grow up as Californians, whether he likes it or not.

I've not seen any evidence of this 'push to warm up relations' either. It's not a matter of public concern if Harry and Meghan spend time privately in Britain, but I don't see them, certainly not her, every playing a role in British public life again.

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 18:04

IcedPurple · 14/12/2025 17:54

It doesn't really matter what Hary wants. There is no way Meghan will allow her children to be educated in Britain. Those kids are going to grow up as Californians, whether he likes it or not.

I've not seen any evidence of this 'push to warm up relations' either. It's not a matter of public concern if Harry and Meghan spend time privately in Britain, but I don't see them, certainly not her, every playing a role in British public life again.

Does Harry realise he's been used to secure an aristocratic title and a couple of sperm?

Mylovelygreendress · 14/12/2025 18:44

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 17:07

I hardly think Meghan would commit her children to an education that would mean her losing control of them, in a nation she despises.

Probably better she ditches the title . Oh wait …..

BasiliskStare · 14/12/2025 18:46

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 18:04

Does Harry realise he's been used to secure an aristocratic title and a couple of sperm?

I will always say I do hope they are truly in love and happy. The cynical side of me thinks H had a large amount of stardust by virtue of his princeliness which may have swayed M (Over and above him being a.n.other.Captain Wales ) Whichever way about I think M is making the very most she can of the title and the (albeit estranged) family connections. I just wonder if Harry ever wonders . But not my marriage so I don't know.

Ohpleeeease · 14/12/2025 19:23

I think the secret of their marriage is one I’ve seen in other couples, that they both really believe they’ve secured a catch.

And in many ways they have. It’s not one anyone else would want, but it doesn’t need to be.

Meghan has a pathological capacity for drowning out reality, and Harry takes his lead from her. She wants to believe theirs is a great love story, so it is. If he ever starts doing his own thinking, and lets other wiser voices in, I do think then they’ll be in trouble.

BasiliskStare · 14/12/2025 19:49

@Ohpleeeease - I think , as an outsider to their marriage , there appears to be more than some truth in what you say. Again I caveat it with I just don't know how their marriage works for them. I can see what both sides thought they were getting out of it.

DH takes no interest in H or M. He's a straightforward soul. But over the last 7 years I do remember him making one comment "She's played him like a two bob fiddle". He doesn't know , I don't know , if she has I doubt H knows , but it did make me smile from the most disinterested observer. 😊

Part of me thinks , I could not be married to anyone if they weren't the actual person ( forget status money fame etc) I wanted to marry - so that colours my judgment. Now a bit of money wouldn't go amiss now and again 😊, fame I would eschew unutterably , and status - well partly in the eye of the beholder and partly I couldn't be bothered. Not everyone is the same.

bluegreygreen · 14/12/2025 20:16

I do genuinely hope they are happy, and more importantly that their children are secure and happy.

You never know what is going on in other people's relationships, but Harry and Meghan don't strike me as very happy people in general (just from what they have put in the public domain, and the reports from ex-employees).

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IcedPurple · 14/12/2025 22:25

IdaGlossop · 14/12/2025 18:04

Does Harry realise he's been used to secure an aristocratic title and a couple of sperm?

His mental health depends on him not realising it.

Thankfully (or not), both Harry and his wife are experts at self deception so he's probably still convinced theirs is a great love story.

Lampzade · 15/12/2025 04:23

bluegreygreen · 14/12/2025 20:16

I do genuinely hope they are happy, and more importantly that their children are secure and happy.

You never know what is going on in other people's relationships, but Harry and Meghan don't strike me as very happy people in general (just from what they have put in the public domain, and the reports from ex-employees).

They seem pretty happy to me given their circumstances .
Much happier now than when they were living in Britain

Benjithedog · 15/12/2025 11:27

Lampzade · 15/12/2025 04:23

They seem pretty happy to me given their circumstances .
Much happier now than when they were living in Britain

What makes you say this?

lickingfingertastingfood · 15/12/2025 12:11

Lampzade · 15/12/2025 04:23

They seem pretty happy to me given their circumstances .
Much happier now than when they were living in Britain

Why does she continually espouse the British way of life though in her shows and advertise her title so much? Why has she not gone full Cali girl? She always seems to be harking back to the UK.

jeffgoldblum · 15/12/2025 12:36

lickingfingertastingfood · 15/12/2025 12:11

Why does she continually espouse the British way of life though in her shows and advertise her title so much? Why has she not gone full Cali girl? She always seems to be harking back to the UK.

It’s a marketing ploy.

Restlesslimbs54 · 15/12/2025 14:59

shanononon · 14/12/2025 15:11

Is that why the Daily Fail features a photo of Lady Louise Windsor sitting on a packed train with no visible security?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15381875/Thats-no-royal-carriage-Lady-Louise-Windsor-sits-packed-train-floor-two-hours-journey-London-Bristol.html

If Louise can rough it so can Hazzie

Dare I say her security clearly isn’t sufficient if someone is close enough to take a photo of her laptop screen and sell it to the DM?

IcedPurple · 15/12/2025 15:12

Restlesslimbs54 · 15/12/2025 14:59

Dare I say her security clearly isn’t sufficient if someone is close enough to take a photo of her laptop screen and sell it to the DM?

It's not that her 'security isn't sufficient'. She doesn't have any security at all. She's just like you or me who got on a train without a ticket and had to sit on the floor.

I'm sure if she had anything sensitive on her laptop screen she wouldn't be checking it in public.

Restlesslimbs54 · 15/12/2025 15:44

Beesandhoney123 · 08/12/2025 22:36

Visiting the family seems risk free for a Visit, from stranger danger at least. And 28 days notice seems perfectly reasonable, seeing as they are not working royals. Charles is a busy man with many responsibilities. He isn't sitting at home waiting for H to turn up out of the blue when it suits him. And rightly so!

Do they have 24/7 armed protection in the USA, for going about their daily life?

I'm not entirely sure if I were a special ops bodyguard or whatever its called, I'd be happy to spend my day watching those two be rude about the King, the future king and queen, so disloyal and quite frankly displaying openly traitorous behaviour.

There I beg to differ, I think 28 days is pretty grim actually for someone whose entire family lives in another country. Presumably he will be given immediate security for any emergency situations but to not feel able to just pop back home because he feels homesick or because he fancies it, is pretty restrictive imho, especially for someone with his level of wealth whose entire life has been spent rattling back and forth to different countries. The life of a royal, and the rich, is to be always on the move or planning to be on the move! So I think it’s pretty harsh on him tbh.

spanieleyes · 15/12/2025 15:48

Restlesslimbs54 · 15/12/2025 15:44

There I beg to differ, I think 28 days is pretty grim actually for someone whose entire family lives in another country. Presumably he will be given immediate security for any emergency situations but to not feel able to just pop back home because he feels homesick or because he fancies it, is pretty restrictive imho, especially for someone with his level of wealth whose entire life has been spent rattling back and forth to different countries. The life of a royal, and the rich, is to be always on the move or planning to be on the move! So I think it’s pretty harsh on him tbh.

You see, I think the opposite. The life of a royal is planned and organised months and years in advance. Harry should be used to that, so 28 days notice should be ample- assuming there is some leeway for dire emergencies.

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