King Charles heckled over Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8empv38vgo

Of course he can. To be honest I don’t understand why you think both things can’t be true, unless you don’t view Charles as a human being.

There is an official mechanism.

It is described in the Erskine May rule - the rule that people keep saying forbids debate about Royals.

It doesn't. It simply says that debate about Royals (and some other groups such as senior judges) must be done in proper form as substantive motions.

The issue at present is that the government has refused time to debate a substantive motion in the House of Commons.

(I have previously posted the text of Erskine May on at least 2 occasions.)

There is an official mechanism ... (I have previously posted the text of Erskine May on at least 2 occasions.)

And a sterling job you've been making of it, @bluegreygreen , but sadly there's little to be done if folk simply don't want to know, and instead post "facts" which are misleading at best

Thank you @Puzzledandpissedoff 😳

Well he can be and he is. I think they are just facts. Peoples' opinions may lean to one or the other.

Yet we're assured by royalists that C3 is the one responsible for ordering W to drive said brother around

Either he oversees the lot of them or he doesn't.

It can't be both.

And around and around and around it goes.

It simply says that debate about Royals (and some other groups such as senior judges) must be done in proper form as substantive motions.

We know that. It's been said again and again on here

However. Questions have been tabled and thrown out when said questions are reasonable, fair and not without merit

The issue at present is that the government has refused time to debate a substantive motion in the House of Commons.

Exactly!

The issue at present is that the government has refused time to debate a substantive motion in the House of Commons.

What good is a mechanism that can be used to effectively shut out any questioning?

Imagine you are the man that approached the king. You have some very pertinent questions. The RF are not forthcoming. Your MP didn't reply to your letter or sent you some copy-and-paste platitudes. The government is hoping it will all go away. What options do you have? You are not a terrorist and perhaps not even a republican. Just a decent person watching in horror as some pretty serious allegations are levelled at the RF. What do you do?

This person approached Charles with his questions. As awkward as this might seem I think it was a missed opportunity for Charles. He could have had a stock, polite answer prepared, or indeed he could have engaged with the "heckler". Instead he ignored it all while some onlookers went on "shush, least said soonest mended" mode. A different person to Charles could have seized this opportunity and turned it around. Instead the whole scene made him look weak and out of touch.

The individual who shouted his question exercised his freedom of speech as did the other individuals present who yelled at him.

Freedom of speech is not only for speech you agree with.

And if you choose to exercise your freedom of speech in the public square, you better have thick enough skin to accept that people will respond to you by exercising their freedom of speech to comment on your words...even if the comment is "shut up".

While shouting questions is rude, there are times when being polite does not work. By having this story splashed across all of the front pages both BP and No. 10 will feel increasing pressure to act.

What a strange comment given the seriousness of the allegations around Andrew's behaviour over many, many years. It's not a game.
Andrew 'on his way out' is not the 'trump card' you seem to think it is. He will still be able to live a good life unlike Virginia who paid the ultimate price.
Perhaps the spotlight should be turned on Charles, someone else who has questions to answer.
RIP Neil Todd

It can, you know.

@Whatacircus I find that those strange comments reveal more about the person posting them, than the people they are posting about.

I just read about Neil Todd. That poor boy. The married couple that worked for Ball, and tried to look out for Neil Todd and voiced their own concerns about Ball to both the church and the police, were virtually ignored. It was all brushed off. Neil spoke to the church and his fears and concerns about Ball and what he did to Neil were just brushed off also. That boy had nowhere to turn really. Ball, the church and police gaslight him. His parents tried to tell the police too according to what I read.

Charles chose to believe Ball? Did he not look into Ball at all before being supportive of him?

I dont like PA. He is an arrogant, rude opinionated oik. However I believe he is being scapegoated by the media and people in general. Look here, and dont look anywhere else.

He has committed no crime in the UK. Lying in a public interview may be foolish but its not against the law. Asking your representative to dig up dirt on the other party is standard playbook practice in legal disputes. He was not the only prominent person to visit Epstein Island and the Florida estate. Another such currently occupies a large white building in Washington. But we must not ask about him because he is busy solving wars ......

Asking your representative to dig up dirt on the other party is standard playbook practice in legal disputes

He didn't ask a 'representative'.

He asked his taxpayer funded police protection officer who he must have known would be in serious trouble if caught accessing sensitive data with no good reason

Americans are spending plenty of time asking for the Epstein files to be released.

Andrew is ours. Why shouldn't we be the ones to kick off about public money and resources supporting him?

Save your breath, BeeWitchy; this has been raised time and again and too many monarchists simply don't want to know

Call me fussy but I have a real issue with a proven paedophile enabler as a head of state who's quite literally beyond the law, but it seems plenty are entirely relaxed about this