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What about Beatrice & Eugenie?

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olderandnonthewiser · 19/10/2025 23:26

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

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NewAgeNewMe · 22/10/2025 13:35

stillavid · 22/10/2025 13:15

GollyI had no idea Beatrice did all that amongst her many many holidays etc - honestly I just do not believe she is making that much money through her job but could of course be wrong.

But I would still bet she didn't pay cash for that car.

I lease my car like most people I know. I only know one person who has bought their car outright and it’s fairly old. I change my car every 3 years.

stillavid · 22/10/2025 13:39

Yes I am sure her car is leased but more to the point - I sort of doubt she pays the lease. The RF were the original 'influencers' and many of them have 'free' cars. Maybe they all need to start declaring ads in the way of influencers ;)

I guess if I were B or E I would be being super careful not to have any hint of 'grifting' etc connected to anything I did.

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 13:42

stillavid · 22/10/2025 13:39

Yes I am sure her car is leased but more to the point - I sort of doubt she pays the lease. The RF were the original 'influencers' and many of them have 'free' cars. Maybe they all need to start declaring ads in the way of influencers ;)

I guess if I were B or E I would be being super careful not to have any hint of 'grifting' etc connected to anything I did.

Well, all I can say is, according to some sources....too late!

NewAgeNewMe · 22/10/2025 13:42

Yes sorry I should have understood your point better!

CrimsonStoat · 22/10/2025 13:55

frenemyissues · 22/10/2025 12:22

What do they actually ‘take’ . Prince William’s income comes from the vast inherited Ducky of Cornwall. Unless we move to a communist state - we can’t take that off him.

We will have to agree to sugared on the monetary value of the Windsors. There are plenty of sources which estimate the income value of them to the uk. Equally there were a few sources saying it was a myth. Mainly those supporting a republic .

I think the income value of the RF comes from places like Buckingham Palace and the crown jewels, and so on, rather than the people themselves.

I'm happy to put a bet on royalty associated tourism skyrocketing if we ever got rid of them.

As for the Duchy there's enough been written about the way they manipulate the figures to answer that.

ishimbob · 22/10/2025 14:18

BemusedAmerican · 22/10/2025 14:15

The Monaco family is not squeeky clean. This came out last year and is still ongoing:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/monaco-royals-ex-accountant-lifts-lid-on-lavish-spending-prince-albert

Not to mention all the rumours about Princess Charlene trying to escape before her wedding, crying throughout the ceremony etc. Nothing to see there at all.

BemusedAmerican · 22/10/2025 14:20

I had the flu when this one came out. Really livened up my sickbed. At least Catherine's nanny is legal and they aren't tying up dogs in the shower:

https://nypost.com/2024/01/27/news/inside-the-dangerous-spending-scandal-rocking-monaco-palace/

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 14:23

Thanks, @BemusedAmerican . Most European monarchies are not "beyond the pale"!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 22/10/2025 14:38

And Norway. This is like a game of corrupt royal bingo!

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 14:40

Isn't it just, @AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta !

SideshowItchy · 22/10/2025 14:56

Imdunfer · 20/10/2025 15:00

The thought of a Tony Blair, Sadiq Khan or Emmanuel Macron as President is enough to make me a Royalist for life.

We'd have to have a President for the Royal meet and greet stuff, they'd cost a lot, and we'd lose a fortune in tourism revenues and VAT on Royal memorabilia sales.

On balance Charlie and particularly William and Kate, seem a much better bet.
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and we'd lose a fortune in tourism revenues and VAT on Royal memorabilia sales.

Royalist propaganda (edit spelling)

The French manage

CathyorClaire · 22/10/2025 16:37

Sporadica · 22/10/2025 13:00

I bet Andrew is still driving around in a Range Rover - noticed Beatrice was also in one yesterday and I do not believe for one moment she has married a very rich husband.

Beatrice has a full-time job as VP for Strategy at a high tech firm (Afiniti), as well as running her own AI consultancy and has just launched another software development start-up where she is co-founder and director. Of course there should be scrutiny of all the Royals, but it is possible to make money directly, at least enough to buy a Range Rover, without relying on a rich husband.

What a busy little Bea she is.

Afiniti filed for bankruptcy at the back end of last year although has now restructured the debt.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-14273563/Blue-blooded-tech-firm-Afiniti-files-bankruptcy.html

I'd be surprised if they were lobbing enough money even at a blood princess for her to buy and run a Range Rover on it.

Far more likely it's financed by one or other of those lovely royal trust funds.

My2cents1975 · 22/10/2025 16:43

France is on its 5th (technically 6th with Lecornu resigning and then making a comeback in days) new head of government in 20 months and can't pass a budget.

The French taxpayer is paying for election after election with no stable outcome and there is a strong movement to replace the current Fifth Republic with a new Sixth Republic...an endeavor that will require even more money from the French taxpayer, all the while critical security and economic affairs are being inadequately addressed leading to negative outcomes for French taxpayers who face higher debt servicing costs due to French sovereign debt being downgraded earlier this month.

As for the elected political class...well former President Sarkozy is off to jail this week, and incumbent President Macron routinely overspends government money to the extent that he had his knuckles rapped by French state auditors. Former PM Bayrou was accused of covering up an abuse scandal at the school his children attended with his eldest daughter claiming that a priest beat her at a summer camp when she was 14. Another former PM Fillon went to jail over corruption charges for paying his wife over a million euros for work that was never done. And that is not even all the scandals at the top let alone all the scandals of various French MPs and civil servants.

Advocates for a republic would gain traction if they presented something rooted in reality which acknowledges that a republic is not a utopia (see France and USA) and includes a sober assessment of the costs (time, money and process) required to move from one imperfect system of government to different imperfect system of government.

CathyorClaire · 22/10/2025 16:46

We will have to agree to sugared on the monetary value of the Windsors. There are plenty of sources which estimate the income value of them to the uk.

They all derive from a single report issued by a branding firm with royal links which was widely picked up by the press and have become entrenched as fact.

No-one knows who commissioned the report or why but if you have credible reports from different sources I'd be interested in seeing them.

RainbowBagels · 22/10/2025 17:47

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 13:35

Look them up, seriously. Start with the scandals surrounding the Norwegian monarchy, then the Spanish - have a look at King Juan Carlos. Then you could move on to the Grimaldis of Monaco.
They're not squeaky clean. Idolising European monarchies is common on here. I think it's a mistaken belief.
However, your opinion.

I dont' idolise' any monarchies. I'd hoped, as it is unlikely that we will ever get rid of our Monarchy that it was possible to put a bunch of incredibly ordinary people on a pedestal from birth, give them tons of unearned wealth and influence and still have them behave in a decent manner, where they thank their lucky stars for their good forune and actually decide to use it for good instead of enriching themselves and abusing people. It seems not though, which is not a good reason to keep the Monarchy at all. Quite the opposite.
Nicolas Sarkosy is in jail. Trump can be voted out. We dont have to endure their unsavoury siblings forevermore, no matter how problematic Republics are.

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 17:50

RainbowBagels · 22/10/2025 17:47

I dont' idolise' any monarchies. I'd hoped, as it is unlikely that we will ever get rid of our Monarchy that it was possible to put a bunch of incredibly ordinary people on a pedestal from birth, give them tons of unearned wealth and influence and still have them behave in a decent manner, where they thank their lucky stars for their good forune and actually decide to use it for good instead of enriching themselves and abusing people. It seems not though, which is not a good reason to keep the Monarchy at all. Quite the opposite.
Nicolas Sarkosy is in jail. Trump can be voted out. We dont have to endure their unsavoury siblings forevermore, no matter how problematic Republics are.

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I'm just correcting your assumption - very common on here - that European monarchies are somehow beyond reproach.
They're not.

RainbowBagels · 22/10/2025 17:55

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 17:50

I'm just correcting your assumption - very common on here - that European monarchies are somehow beyond reproach.
They're not.

I didnt say they were beyond reproach. I said they managed to get rid of their hangers on and reduce the numbers of people running around with titles. Charles, despite going on about it for 30 years, hasnt. If Royal Families clearly cannot control themselves orctheir members they need to be scrutinised far, far more than they are.

DelectableMe · 22/10/2025 17:58

RainbowBagels · 22/10/2025 17:55

I didnt say they were beyond reproach. I said they managed to get rid of their hangers on and reduce the numbers of people running around with titles. Charles, despite going on about it for 30 years, hasnt. If Royal Families clearly cannot control themselves orctheir members they need to be scrutinised far, far more than they are.

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Perhaps "getting rid of hangers on" wasn't quite on King Juan Carlos' agenda either, it would seem ....

Birlingsaresnobs · 22/10/2025 18:16

lifeonmars100 · 22/10/2025 11:38

I loved The Windsors, especially the York lot, the two women who played B and E were hilarious and I always remembering them skipping around singing a song that included the line "and Daddy is friends with a peadophile" . Off to look for a YouTube clip and have a giggle

OMG really? It was the vocal fry which got me every time. It's such a funny show.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 22/10/2025 18:53

Birlingsaresnobs · 22/10/2025 18:16

OMG really? It was the vocal fry which got me every time. It's such a funny show.

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TightlyLacedCorset · 22/10/2025 21:40

frenemyissues · 22/10/2025 09:48

It has taken the UK a very very long time to get to this point constitutionally. Thank god we don’t have the set up of the USA and the powers of a president. Or for that matter, France or Russia. Getting rid of royal family or a constitutional monarchy doesn’t always lead a country to the utopian government set up. I quite like the compromise we have. The RF can bring in millions in tourism and soft diplomacy - which we do need as the UK is so small now and fairly irrelevant.

If we dismantled the monarchy - I guess that would mean no tax payers support - but they would still have their estates and inherited wealth generally - just as other titled families do. We can’t just destroy their wealth and properties etc because we are either jealous or don’t like them. For the most part they do an excellent public duty and benefit the coffers of the uk substantially. I don’t think it infantilises someone who sees the economics and the benefits.
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I would say up until the last few weeks that had been my prevailing view also. I was a pragmatic Monarchist, although not particularly enamoured of any of them (perhaps I feel some affinity for Catherine) I saw Andrew as a mercenary buffoon and sometimes families are unfortunately just saddled with those. I was one of the people who lined up to see the Queen lying in state, and I will say during that occasion there was really a uniting, good feel in the air, thousands upon thousands of people of all cultures were there showing respect. That uniting factor seemed to further justify the Monarchy's existence.

Now however, I've had to re-evaluate. The thing that is the sticking point for me isn't even how much money they are given. Or the grace and favour living arrangements. If they're fulfilling their roles as a crucial function of the constitution, I'm happy to overlook a certain amount of excess.

The major glaring problem, the huge vacuum that has been exposed these past few weeks and which means that I really cannot in good faith keep supporting the Monarchy (certainly not in it's present form) is the fact that we quite clearly cannot ever hold them to account for serious wrongs, or errors of judgement whatever you want to call it.

We can see that it is virtually impossible. Now this also happens with corrupt leaders, true, but I cannot support the right of any person in a liberal democracy who is also taxpayer supported, to literally be untouchable and unaccountable in any meaningful way due, not even to their office, but their bloodline.

Voluntarily giving up the use of your titles is not the definition of being held accountable. It's not a nice experience, granted, but it's not justice. It's not how society works for the rest of us, because you don't usually get to choose the terms of your punishment. You don't usually get to avoid police questions. Yet I'm watching Parliament refer back to the alleged perpetrators family for guidance on how to act. Parliament is now engaged in a damage limitations exercise by throwing us the bone of scrutiny over his lease! Not his egregious behaviour. At no point are the police even questioning him.

The hammers of justice in this country quite routinely falls on the vulnerable. It falls on institutional scapegoats, drug addicts and people down on their luck committing shop theft, abused and coerced women hiding stashes for their partners, people struggling to pay their rent or bills earning a little extra to make ends meet and so on. All whilst the most powerful get none of it. The police looks the other way because they're Royal.

The former French President Sarkozy is going to prison? Fantastic that that can happen and some justice can eventually be served. At this moment, I envy the French!

This cannot happen with the RF.

Lastly, I now increasingly think it is cruel to expect a family to live like social commodities. All that expectation and privilege has been quite destructive to them. Instead of normal fr(m)aternal and sibling relations, they are often forced into competition and confrontation. Charles has to punish his brother for e.g. They have the newspapers writing tattle stories every week. And I accept I could be way off the mark and there's room for maturity, but poor George looks like he has his 2 x great grandfather's sensitive disposition, and I think the role of king would weigh negatively on him, and he has no choice at all in the matter because of when he was born. I truly think they would be a happier family without the roles.

I can support William and Kate, but I won't support their children becoming more casualties and the institution continuing past them. Hopefully Gen Z and Alpha will set them free.

CrimsonStoat · 22/10/2025 21:48

Great post @TightlyLacedCorset

For me, that parliament has said they won't interfere but will leave it to the RF to take the lead has been the final straw.

How dare they shirk their duty and allow the most powerful of all the powerful people in the land decide how to deal with themselves.

Unless parliament actively do something, it seems that the monarchy is truly untouchable. And at the same time they are being left to police themselves, our government (successful governments, not just this one) have come down harder and harder on the most vulnerable people in our society, the people who have little money, and no protections from harm.

Government and monarchy disgust me equally.

CathyorClaire · 22/10/2025 21:51

I can support William and Kate, but I won't support their children becoming more casualties and the institution continuing past them. Hopefully Gen Z and Alpha will set them free.

Why support a bloke who has history of and indicates every intention of doing less and trousering the same ££ if not the golden ratcheted more?