What about Beatrice & Eugenie?

[olderandnonthewiser]

I’m not sure what to think tbh. On one hand they must be so so mortified; on the other they enjoy all the perks of Royalty and their position in the RF despite their revolting father.

How do you see it?

She cant not have known about his trade envoy antics or his using Royal engagements to tag golfing weekends onto at the taxpayers expense, yet she did nothing about either until absolutely forced.

A nearly 40 yo calling her mother “mumsy” is plain weird to me.

I came on here to say this too. According to Lownie they are up to their necks in it.

I find it completely bizarre that they are so infantilised.

This definitely hasn't fully played out yet, I think there will be more to come about both the business dealings and Epstein. There may well be more Andrew related details in the second book by a survivor of the Epstein regime that is due to come out.

My guess that Andrew and his family just don't think of the girls/women as real people.

Makes me so angry

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000732678495

Would your father, brother. cousin,husband be off on an island having massages and hanging about with young girls?
All this nonsense about was Andrew a rapist or a paedophile is a waste of time. They are rotten to the core.
Working Royals? A bad joke.

Of course she can, but it doesn’t look good at all when she is also considered a public figure and uses the title of princess of this country.

When your parents are accused of sanctioning a convicted pedophile, being a rapist, selling state secrets, lying to the BBC, public and Buckingham palace, and taking money from international criminals…. The optics are less than ideal. I’d be saying by text only “what the fuck is wrong with you, no I’m not visiting, and no I don’t want my kids around you” and I say this as someone who has put boundaries down for my family for way less.

The £750,000 of shady money that went to Beatrice via that Turkish fraud scandal, was either actually taken willingly by Beatrice, OR her parents dropped her in it and said it was for her. Either way they’ve got her into some murky shit and she’s a grown up. She does need to pick a side - an honest life or her parents. The royals seem to think they can live in dirt and shadows while being regaled by the public and live among pomp and ceremony. It’s unbearable to watch anymore.

This Turkish gift thing - people keep saying that the money went to Beatrice but I couldn't find anything to suggest that

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60967996

Suggests it was sent to Andrew under the guise of a gift for her but it doesn't sound like she was ever given it

Yes I agree there’s no evidence it went to her (and I do keep going on about it). So my point on that would be, her parents insisted it was for her at the high court. If she didn’t receive this and it’s all bullshit, then her parents are scum. They’ve dropped her in it and lied to save their own skins while making her look grabby in the process. Otherwise she did actually take it and it’s definitely gross and grabby on her part. Either way murky as fuck and should be transparent if they want our reverence as princesses. Eugenie received smaller amounts allegedly, too.

"Under siege" 🤣🤣🤣.

AKA holed up their 30 room mansion with god knows how many acres to walk around unseen whilst rightly being criticised for being BFFs with a convicted sex offender at the very least.

So unquestionably her parents are scum.. I just don't think the evidence is there to suggest that they (B and E) are personally involved beyond not disowning their parents- I think it's unfair to keep stating that this money went to Beatrice.

It may be that more comes out in due course but I think as of right now, it's going too far.

It may also not be possible for them to be transparent - they may not have all the information.

The royals seem to think they can live in dirt and shadows while being regaled by the public and live among pomp and ceremony. It’s unbearable to watch anymore

I visited a museum yesterday and there was much ooing and ahing at photos of the Royals. Turns my stomach.

I just looked at the news online and the Daily HateMail is having a field day with this, hyperbole fueled by speculation, 'sources close to', scum journalists.

Do we really have to add to it?

At least they are giving Meghan a rest today.

Calling people scum? Really?

Yes, I believe it's 189 acres

You're part of the problem.

You looked at the site. You gave them advertising revenues. It attracts readers, readers attract advertisers, advertisers give them money, they'll write more of it.
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I agree, I doubt Beatrice saw a penny of that money. Andrew took that money and said it was for her, though. And that money was noted in the transaction as ‘a gift for princess Beatrice’ and there were numerous other transactions to him, Fergie and Eugenie, all from this dodgy Turkish banker who moved something like £50 million out of Turkey at that time. If Beatrice, who was lucky to avoid the high court over this, didn’t receive that money, then she has evidence of her father’s skullduggery. If she did receive it, then she’s just as bad.

What this does Prince Andrew have that a Turkish banker would go to him to get him to sort out a Turkish passport? It’s all so murky and dark. Overall between Andrew and Fergie they received almost a million from a now convicted fraudster, naming some of it as for their daughters. They’re actually fucking sick. So, yeah, I do expect the ‘girls’ to show a bit of integrity and choose to distance themselves from their criminal, grubby, sex offender parents. Yes I do.

Will Fergie do an exposé? A Harry/Meghan type Netflix, book deal. That will really bring in the money for her, she has nothing to lose now, especially if her daughters are also being excoriated.

I bet there are publicists lining up as we write.

Very well said

What this does Prince Andrew have that a Turkish banker would go to him to get him to sort out a Turkish passport? It’s all so murky and dark.

The money was paid to B nine days after the alleged fraudster won an award at one of A's Pitch@Palace events.

He was also found to have been living in a Crown Estate Mayfair flat with no evidence of rent being paid.

As you say all so murky but I've no doubt there's plenty more to come out on all sorts of associations.

And let's not forget A touting the contacts he made through P@P relatively recently although the deal fell through.

It'd be a very dull forum if no-one was inclined to comment on the top stories of the day and this one along with all the wider implications attached is huge.

Oh the poor lambs.
#PrayersforAndyandSarah.

Eugenie received smaller amounts allegedly, too.

Smaller but still staggering. She claimed she thought the money (£25k!) was a gift towards the costs of a birthday bash for Ferg.

Some party...

I don't think this "infantilising" line is quite accurate.

What people are saying is that their very upbringing placed them in a highly unusual set of circumstances, and to acknowledge that our upbringing stays with us is not infantilising, its contextualising.

Saying that is not making them the children/victims and trafficked girls everywhere somehow non-victims; that's a non-sequitur.

I accept some posters have raised issues around age/consent on this thread, but that is not an issue to conflate with infantilising B and E. It is perfectly possible to see the issues as wrong regardless of age or consent, but still not feel there needs to be a "choice" between not caring about trafficking and vilifying B and E for something I don't think anyone alleges they themselves have been directly part of. The two positions of sympathy are not mutually exclusive.

I have no reason to believe that, if confronted with hard evidence, E and B would not be appalled by the behaviours that form the basis of the allegations. But let's see what happens before we all jump.

We don't know what they know, we don't know what has been said, or is being said behind closed doors, and we don't know where things will land when the saga plays out.

For the time being, it strikes me as a casting about to see who else in the royal family can be targeted in a kid of "scooping the pool" of shame in the wake of Andrew handing back his titles. That seems to me rather small. That also doesn't mean I somehow don't see a problem with trafficking.

I feel differently.
Now, of course, they have had what I assume is a sheltered upbringing but they have been to school university and are in the workplace. , you can't tell me, that they are so clueless as to not know what is going on in the world. They know what their father has been accused of, one of them was instrumental in organising the car crash interview.

Anyone would be digging into the internet to see what is being said if it was their father.

Bottom line is, one of them is patron and founder of a slavery and trafficking charity. Their Father remained friends with a convicted sex trafficker after spending a lot of time with him in various locations around the world where sex trafficked young girls were present in abundance

That is all that needs to be said really. I would be seriously upset and moving away from my parents at this stage.

The press are having a field day because they have a lot of dirt on the Royals that they cant use going back years, because they get threatened with loss of access/co-operation by the Palace. So whenever they get the chance, its open season. If the Royals and their apologists/ courtiers stopped covering things up then they may be forced to behave decently and would then not need to threaten the press to cover up their many misdemeanours.