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Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/10/2025 11:11

AutumnedCrow · 13/10/2025 10:27

Quite. Harry probably thinks the Morning Star is an outré sexual position involving butter croissants and a spliff.

Brilliant Grin Grin

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/10/2025 11:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/10/2025 10:18

There was a statement issued for the Nigeria trip, but not for any of the others

Many thanks for the clarification, @Indianrollerbird; I knew I'd seen it but hadn't realised it was only said about Nigeria

And no, it didn't stop H&M carrying on with their quasi-royal tour, but then I wouldn't have expected it to ... after all wouldn't the Foreign Office also be considered part of the "stitch-up"? Hmm

I think it was only said about Nigeria because they are in the Commonwealth. Likewise with Ukraine, Harry himself said that he was told not to visit Zelensky (and iirc the Duchess of Edinburgh went a few days later which may be why he was asked not to).

I assume that statements are only made where Harry might muddy the diplomatic waters. Otherwise they leave him to do what he wants knowing that his lack of political status means that he is effectively harmless from a government point of view.

OctopusFriend · 13/10/2025 11:25

Also, what on earth would he say? Remember in Ukraine when he made that remark about those people with mouth braces and kissing? It was like he was 14.

MrsFinkelstein · 13/10/2025 11:34

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/10/2025 11:23

I think it was only said about Nigeria because they are in the Commonwealth. Likewise with Ukraine, Harry himself said that he was told not to visit Zelensky (and iirc the Duchess of Edinburgh went a few days later which may be why he was asked not to).

I assume that statements are only made where Harry might muddy the diplomatic waters. Otherwise they leave him to do what he wants knowing that his lack of political status means that he is effectively harmless from a government point of view.

Agree. Nigeria is in the Commonwealth, so it made sense of the FO to issue a statement. (Didn't the FO also say something after Harry's comments in Canada too?)

Columbia isn't, so H&M are perfectly free to visit in a personal capacity.

Whatever pomp and ceremony the host countries chose to put on is up to them. I'm sure they'd find out pdq that it made zero difference to their relationship with the UK.

H&M aren't a draw. Royalty is. H&M have cut themselves off from their only draw.

Sydney moment destroys huge Meghan claim https://share.google/mr7waY4CyyYY4OlY6

Can someone explain why Harry and Meghan are Humanitarians of the year ?
Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/10/2025 11:34

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/10/2025 11:23

I think it was only said about Nigeria because they are in the Commonwealth. Likewise with Ukraine, Harry himself said that he was told not to visit Zelensky (and iirc the Duchess of Edinburgh went a few days later which may be why he was asked not to).

I assume that statements are only made where Harry might muddy the diplomatic waters. Otherwise they leave him to do what he wants knowing that his lack of political status means that he is effectively harmless from a government point of view.

Yes, that sounds realistic, MrsLF; after all Colombia's not in the Commwealth - sorry, "Empire 2" Hmm - and while Ghana is, everything seems to have gone quiet on that one

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/10/2025 18:18

The Scott Rouse video, mentioned upthread, on their acceptance speech is interesting. Both of them are far more nervous than I would expect.

ozarina · 13/10/2025 18:25

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/10/2025 18:18

The Scott Rouse video, mentioned upthread, on their acceptance speech is interesting. Both of them are far more nervous than I would expect.

It's almost like they expected something awful to happen. It's so bizarre. Of course we can see their faces - Meghan's face switches on when needed but Harry's - well , petulant doesn't cover it .

Indianrollerbird · 13/10/2025 18:39

I wonder what Scott Rouse makes of the "Happy Mental Health Day" instagram real Meghan put out, which looks like H&M behind the wings before the event laughing away. So odd their demeanour changed so dramatically. It's not like it's their first rodeo with these sorts of bollocks events.

My2cents1975 · 13/10/2025 18:58

Indianrollerbird · 13/10/2025 09:42

You've missed my point. They weren't being laughed at on the ground in the countries they were visiting. And it's those countries feeling honored by their presence is what might be useful in terms of diplomacy. Unless it's made absolutely clear - which it hasn't been - that there presence has nothing whatsoever to do with representing the UK or the RF, they can get away with the impression that they are just an alternative branch of the RF offering service and a pipeline/ear to the head of state; as opposed to 2 private citizens out to enhance their own commercial interests.

Nigeria's VP used a lot of taxpayer money to host H&M. This is how things turned out.

H&M did reach out to the Nigerian President whose office in turn reached out to the UK embassy which clarified that H was NOT representing the UK in any capacity so the Nigerian President declined a meeting with H&M while they were in Nigeria.

In addition, H&M accepted freebie flights from Dr Allen Onyema, founder of Nigerian airline Air Peace, except it turned out that Onyema is a wanted fugitive in the US for a $20million money laundering operation.

Immediately after the Nigerian grifters getaway, the Nigerian First Lady made a comment about semi-naked women that the Sussex Squad took exception to so they swarm-attacked the Nigerian first daughter on her twitter account as she is a model. I doubt her entire extended family will ever forget or forgive the vile attacks.

Months later, a group of Nigerians were declined visas into Canada when they arrived for the Canada Invictus Games.

In the political realm of quid-pro-quo, H&M got their grifters getaway and the Nigerian politicians were left holding the bag and looking very foolish. Other developing world governments have taken notice and if you see the H&M grifting model has changed to put up H only, to attach him to "charities" and to go for shorter visits.

How this disaster can be spun as a diplomatic success from a local POV....escapes me.

Unhinderedd · 13/10/2025 19:12

Months later, a group of Nigerians were declined visas into Canada when they arrived for the Canada Invictus Games.

What’s the inference here - would you mind explaining please?

AutumnedCrow · 13/10/2025 19:22

I think it shows Harry’s name carries fuck all clout and zero diplomatic soft power.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c17eky00r5ro.amp

Indianrollerbird · 13/10/2025 23:16

My2cents1975 · 13/10/2025 18:58

Nigeria's VP used a lot of taxpayer money to host H&M. This is how things turned out.

H&M did reach out to the Nigerian President whose office in turn reached out to the UK embassy which clarified that H was NOT representing the UK in any capacity so the Nigerian President declined a meeting with H&M while they were in Nigeria.

In addition, H&M accepted freebie flights from Dr Allen Onyema, founder of Nigerian airline Air Peace, except it turned out that Onyema is a wanted fugitive in the US for a $20million money laundering operation.

Immediately after the Nigerian grifters getaway, the Nigerian First Lady made a comment about semi-naked women that the Sussex Squad took exception to so they swarm-attacked the Nigerian first daughter on her twitter account as she is a model. I doubt her entire extended family will ever forget or forgive the vile attacks.

Months later, a group of Nigerians were declined visas into Canada when they arrived for the Canada Invictus Games.

In the political realm of quid-pro-quo, H&M got their grifters getaway and the Nigerian politicians were left holding the bag and looking very foolish. Other developing world governments have taken notice and if you see the H&M grifting model has changed to put up H only, to attach him to "charities" and to go for shorter visits.

How this disaster can be spun as a diplomatic success from a local POV....escapes me.

The military chief of Nigeria invited H&M. I suspect that there may well be diplomatic overlap with the PM or ignored/tolerated overreaching on his part. If they used taxpayers’ money (and I am not sure what other money a military chief will be using), then that rather indicates they thought the visit was a royal one (and hence all the pageantry). Access to that funding was not denied by the PM. Nigeria didn’t need the UK’s permission for the visit, and the PM could have met Harry if he wanted to. He didn’t think it was worth his while as it wasn’t an official visit. That H&M reached out at all to the Nigerian PM, and that the British Government had to issue a clarification, demonstrates to me the frustratingly reactionary nature of the UK govt/RF to H&M.

The message that H&M have no royal
role should have been front loaded through diplomatic channels to the world the minute Harry left - or at least when he started overreaching, which was when he started meddling in US political issues and when he usurped the authority of the kings representative in Canada vis a vis First Nations groups, which he did in the year prior to the 2025 Canadian Games in the one year to go event. That event took place before the Nigeria junket and should have been a warning.

Instead, Harry once again undermined his father with First Nations groups at Invictus 2025, scoring himself a PR victory and being thanked for visiting them when they had felt ignored by the UK monarch for decades.

I don’t think Harry accepting favours from a Nigerian businessman fugitive is that much of a gotcha. It was a gaff, but no worse than the gaffs committed by other RF members. In any event, does this man’s criminal activities abroad make a difference to how he’s received at home? Seemingly not. I assume he and his well connected friends in Nigeria were happy the Sussexes didn’t shun him on the basis of the US legal action.

The Nigerian First Lady specifically denied she had been talking about Meghan. Her remark was clarified at the time by her office. I imagine she’s rather more pissed off at the claim being made that she had criticised Meghan in the first place, since the SS hoo hah stemmed from that claim.

I don’t really know what you think is the connection between the Sussexes visiting Nigeria (and the success or otherwise of it) and the Nigerian general and other (but not all) Nigerian team-members being denied visas to enter Canada. Why would Invictus have any influence at all over Canadian immigration matters for any country? Why would Harry? Why would anyone blame him for the visa denial or think he might have power to get visas granted? Would you expect the UK government or RF to be influencing Canadian immigration policy towards third party countries? Has Nigeria ever pointed the finger at anyone other than Canada over this?

Do you remember how William’s
and Catherine’s visit to Jamaica was regarded and reported internationally as a disaster? How the PM publicly blindsided them and tried to humiliate them? How the optics looked terrible when taken out of context. Yet the local press and apparently the local people all thought their visit was a huge success.

My2cents1975 · 14/10/2025 01:42

Indianrollerbird · 13/10/2025 23:16

The military chief of Nigeria invited H&M. I suspect that there may well be diplomatic overlap with the PM or ignored/tolerated overreaching on his part. If they used taxpayers’ money (and I am not sure what other money a military chief will be using), then that rather indicates they thought the visit was a royal one (and hence all the pageantry). Access to that funding was not denied by the PM. Nigeria didn’t need the UK’s permission for the visit, and the PM could have met Harry if he wanted to. He didn’t think it was worth his while as it wasn’t an official visit. That H&M reached out at all to the Nigerian PM, and that the British Government had to issue a clarification, demonstrates to me the frustratingly reactionary nature of the UK govt/RF to H&M.

The message that H&M have no royal
role should have been front loaded through diplomatic channels to the world the minute Harry left - or at least when he started overreaching, which was when he started meddling in US political issues and when he usurped the authority of the kings representative in Canada vis a vis First Nations groups, which he did in the year prior to the 2025 Canadian Games in the one year to go event. That event took place before the Nigeria junket and should have been a warning.

Instead, Harry once again undermined his father with First Nations groups at Invictus 2025, scoring himself a PR victory and being thanked for visiting them when they had felt ignored by the UK monarch for decades.

I don’t think Harry accepting favours from a Nigerian businessman fugitive is that much of a gotcha. It was a gaff, but no worse than the gaffs committed by other RF members. In any event, does this man’s criminal activities abroad make a difference to how he’s received at home? Seemingly not. I assume he and his well connected friends in Nigeria were happy the Sussexes didn’t shun him on the basis of the US legal action.

The Nigerian First Lady specifically denied she had been talking about Meghan. Her remark was clarified at the time by her office. I imagine she’s rather more pissed off at the claim being made that she had criticised Meghan in the first place, since the SS hoo hah stemmed from that claim.

I don’t really know what you think is the connection between the Sussexes visiting Nigeria (and the success or otherwise of it) and the Nigerian general and other (but not all) Nigerian team-members being denied visas to enter Canada. Why would Invictus have any influence at all over Canadian immigration matters for any country? Why would Harry? Why would anyone blame him for the visa denial or think he might have power to get visas granted? Would you expect the UK government or RF to be influencing Canadian immigration policy towards third party countries? Has Nigeria ever pointed the finger at anyone other than Canada over this?

Do you remember how William’s
and Catherine’s visit to Jamaica was regarded and reported internationally as a disaster? How the PM publicly blindsided them and tried to humiliate them? How the optics looked terrible when taken out of context. Yet the local press and apparently the local people all thought their visit was a huge success.

I do agree with the overwhelming majority of your post.

Where our opinions differ is my opinion is that from the Nigerian POV...H&M were not perceived as a success.

H was invited for Invictus...a military charity. Already many armies in African countries are negatively viewed by the local populations as armes are frequently used as tools of state repression. Nigeria had the infamous Lekki toll gate incident where the army fired on and killed unarmed protestors and tried to cover it up.
Nigeria's Lekki shooting: What has happened so far at Lagos judicial panel

Furthermore, the Nigerian army has a track record of loose targeting of rebels/militants with significant civilian casualties.
Nigerian drone attack kills 85 civilians, raising urgent questions

So from a local POV, H&M started off on the back foot as guests of the VP who was also a General.

Then H&M proceeded to embarrass the VP by using a US fugitive's freebies, potentially creating a diplomatic headache for Nigeria with a key ally...the US.

Finally, H&M's fanbase viciously abused Habibat Oyindamola Tinubu (first daughter who identifies as queer) online based on a misunderstanding of the First Lady's comments.

I do not see how this translates to H&M's visit being a success from the Nigerian POV, especially at the level of the Office of the President (who would be anything other than outraged at their child being viciously targeted on social media) but accept that other people can have a different viewpoint.

Lekki toll gate

Nigeria's Lekki shooting: What has happened so far at Lagos judicial panel

The shooting during a protest against police brutality at the Lekki toll gate in Lagos led to global condemnation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55099016

jonthebatiste · 14/10/2025 11:08

Sorry to lower the tone of the discussion but I think, going back to the humanitarian thing, this particular iteration of Meghan (but not Harry - I think do-gooding is his jam) has come to bore her and she’s going to move on. As it is she only ever did it because of the publicity it brought her - and I’m sure it felt good. We all feel good when we give. But to document your arrival in a city to collect a Humanitarian of the year award with a reel of your shoes, clothes, make up, with two unrelated-to-the-topic famous people, of you beautifully centered in the screen laughing gorgeously while your husband, as ever, is in the shady background goofing around with someone off screen, in a week where you’ve ensured you’ve been papped with Serena Williams and Chloe Malle, ever exit/entry from a car and 5* hotel documented by the tabloids - this is no Humanitarian of the Year, and she’s not even pretending.

All the shoes and clothes and make up and attention and magazines writing about her beauty etc is what she’s lived for all along. It’s what she strives for and needs more than anything, and she’s got it. In the same way she faked her way through her Rwanda trip all those years ago as a stepping stone to get to this level of notoriety, and then dumped it, now that she’s reached where she wanted to be she will dump all these efforts unless (1) she needs them to stay in the public eye (2) she thinks Harry is getting more attention than her, or getting attention she can share.

Because if you think about it, what has Meghan given anyone? There’s no oeuvre of art that touched people’s lives. There’s no backlog of activism or service that didn’t benefit her in at least a small way. There have been no acts of showing up and doing good that weren’t labeled as either grifting or disaster tourism, or didn’t have a photographer in two to ensure she received attention for it. There’s been to toeing of any lines or doing of grunt work or BTS hard graft otherwise her one individual endeavour - As Ever - would be a greater success than it is given the endless resources and immense global reknown she has. I do wonder, what has she given? She’s taken a lot. But I can’t name a single thing she has given to people.

Unhinderedd · 14/10/2025 11:20

@jonthebatiste I 100% agree.

Every endeavour, person, interaction etc is transactional and serves solely to enhance her standing, status, profile in order to ultimately line her pockets.

It’s very transparent. She’s very comfortable stepping on anyone’s neck to move onwards and upwards in her personal pursuits.

MaturingCheeseball · 14/10/2025 11:54

As a poster said on other thread, she just wants to be Famous. Very, very Famous. With lots of nice clothes and jewellery and cameras flashing.

You have to admire her in a Becky Sharp sort of way. Nothing puts her off or keeps her down. If one - or a hundred - schemes fail back she pops up with something else.

But as pp observed, she contributes zilch. Staying famous for being famous is a constant hard slog.

Unhinderedd · 14/10/2025 12:03

MaturingCheeseball · 14/10/2025 11:54

As a poster said on other thread, she just wants to be Famous. Very, very Famous. With lots of nice clothes and jewellery and cameras flashing.

You have to admire her in a Becky Sharp sort of way. Nothing puts her off or keeps her down. If one - or a hundred - schemes fail back she pops up with something else.

But as pp observed, she contributes zilch. Staying famous for being famous is a constant hard slog.

But if the media coverage doesn't translate to $$$$$ via commercial tie ups then what’s the point - it’s just going to cost her more financially, in time, effort and emotion to keep slogging on - a bit like the trajectory of Katie Price.

NewAgeNewMe · 14/10/2025 12:29

As I’ve said I don’t like the Sussexes behaviour but I do admire Meghan’s tenacity.

ozarina · 14/10/2025 12:45

NewAgeNewMe · 14/10/2025 12:29

As I’ve said I don’t like the Sussexes behaviour but I do admire Meghan’s tenacity.

What would you say is the end goal of her tenacity?

Unhinderedd · 14/10/2025 12:48

ozarina · 14/10/2025 12:45

What would you say is the end goal of her tenacity?

It’s an impulsive and compulsive itch she will always have to scratch and never be satisfied - she was described as the Undine Spragg

NewAgeNewMe · 14/10/2025 12:49

God only knows
I think she wants global fame.

Mylovelygreendress · 14/10/2025 12:50

ozarina · 14/10/2025 12:45

What would you say is the end goal of her tenacity?

To be a world famous billionaire Duchess .

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ozarina · 14/10/2025 12:57

Yup

BasiliskStare · 14/10/2025 12:57

Portakalkedi · 12/10/2025 21:19

In Lancashire we'd say this pair both have faces that would stand clogging. No shame whatsoever, quite amazing really that some can be so utterly unembarrassed at crap like this.

Or indeed , more front than Blackpool.

ozarina · 14/10/2025 12:58

Unhinderedd · 14/10/2025 12:48

It’s an impulsive and compulsive itch she will always have to scratch and never be satisfied - she was described as the Undine Spragg

I had to look this up and I see now 😂

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