Why is Meghan hated?

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I have very strong views about the Royals especially Camilla, however I am genuinely interested and want to find out more as to why Meghan Markle seems to be so hated. I'm asking in case there is something I have missed. I do read up as much as I can and watch shows from 'both sides' of the argument, but there is nothing that I have seen so far that warrants the level of sheer hatred geared towards her - I don't mean on here necessarily, but on social media in general. She cannot do ANYTHING without a swarm of people descending on her like vampires to tear her apart.

She isn't an adulteress, she's not a paedophile or sex offender, she isn't lazy, she seems to genuinely care about people in need.....and from what has been shown, she genuinely loves Harry and is just trying to make a life with him. He left the UK to start a life away from a nest of some awful people, his mother died when he was 12, his uncle is a sex offender, there is racism and a rigid set of rules within that family where he won't be king anyway so what is wrong with him leaving?

I'm not starting this to start an argument I am genuninely interested in why she is so rabidly disliked and why? Maybe I will start to feel differently if there is more of a reason but at the moment I cannot see one?

To be fair, members of the RF have always cashed in on their status- including the now sainted Dutchess of Edinburgh!

But they weren’t entitled to be prince and princesses from birth

i could be wrong about this but Anne didn’t go against convention - the rules would have had to have been changed for her as she was the daughter of the sovereign. The Queen offered but she declined.

Likewise Prince Edward’s children do have the designation Prince and Princess but they don’t use them.

So basically, they all make mistakes early on, they all get a massive roasting from the media.

Its like a hideous initiation/hazing trial involving ritual humiliation where they have to 'prove' their worth before they are allowed to be a part of the club. Some survive and become working royals, some fail and go into hiding. Some survive only to cock up later. Very, very few have no missteps and no punishment for those missteps.

I think, reading these threads I am not team Royal or team Sussex, I'm team human rights and think the whole lot need a break from the vicious cycle. Long live the republic.

Yes, we do still hear about it.

But the only people who want to remind others about a private hacked phone call (where he didn't actually say he wanted to be a tampon anyway) from the 80s are the people who in the next breath complain that the publicly broadcasted interview H&M did was so long ago it isn't relevant.

I suspect it’s Harry who really cared that his kids were not given special treatment to make them ‘equal’ to William’s because it shone through in Spare how jealous he is of his brother.

Not a lack of understanding, more the question what the fuck does it matter?

Let them be whatever they like, the whole thing is a nonsense in the 21st century.

In the grand scheme of things what on earth does it matter if they can call themselves prince and princess rather than lord and lady.

I'd love to get rid of all the dukes and so on down the line, who only gained their titles in the first place by arse licking whoever was monarch at the time, and got given land and property that was likely nicked from someone who stopped arselicking.

All of it is just wank tbh. So who cares if Harry and Meghan want a couple of different titles for their kids. Maybe they would have got them no problem if they'd toed the line! 😂

Where did i say in my post i was desperate for her downfall ?

Well, anyone can refer to themselves (or their child) as Prince or Princess. Loads of European ex-royalty (from monarchies abolished over a century ago!) still do, which i find slightly odd.

But those whose titles are formally/officially recognised in the UK were set out in Letters Patent over 100 years ago. With a minor adjustment to change from 'eldest son' in the line of succession to all children in the main line of succession, to take account of male primogeniture being changed.

It's not just a 'convention' pick n mix. Though you can choose to adjust down, as the Edinburgh children have.

It wouldn’t have mattered or been talked about at all if Meghan hadn’t implied in a very public world wide interview that the reason the titles weren’t given was because her child wasn’t white. And that was also going to mean his security would be taken away.

i could be wrong about this but Anne didn’t go against convention - the rules would have had to have been changed for her as she was the daughter of the sovereign. The Queen offered but she declined.

You're probably right.

But if the queen offered to go against convention with the result Anne's kids would have titles, why the issue with offering to Harry?

Convention just seems to be an excuse for when they don’t want something.

And I've seen enough rubbish about Meghan in the press apparently going against convention when others do the same thing and are left alone to know that "convention" is easily weaponised.

As I said, anyone can call themselves Prince or Princess. It doesn't mean other people will as well, but by all means go for it!

Anne's husband was offered an Earldom, in line with Margaret's husband. Her children would have been Lord/Lady, not Prince/ Princess - which is what H&M's children were from birth as well.

Just as Harry was made a Duke when he got married.

I think, reading these threads I am not team Royal or team Sussex, I'm team human rights and think the whole lot need a break from the vicious cycle. Long live the republic.

@Hoolahoophop

I agree. Bringing up a child to be monarch and making them adhere to the rules is no better than forcing an ordinary child into a particular career path and telling them it is their duty to do it.

Any other family and they'd feel the weight of a ton of bricks landing on them for doing such a thing.

I suppose the vast unearned wealth helps sugar the pill a bit...

Perhaps because Anne was her child and Harry was not.

Why should she confer onto Harry what didn’t confer on her other grandchildren, other than the one that was heir to the throne?

It went against convention. Are there rules about this? I'm sure there must be! Surely the Queen didn't just decide to go against convention on a whim to give her daughter's children something they weren't entitled to.

Exactly - Harry was one of eight grandchildren. She treated them all equally - except William, where changes were made for the preparation of the future direct heir to the throne.

Archie was about to be her eighth great-grandchild. At this point there was no reason to treat Archie any differently than all the other great-grandchildren.

This is a scenario repeated the world over with other Royal families and extremely wealthy successful families worldwide. It's not individual to them. Succession is a TV programme which depicts this exactly. You need to open your eyes to the realities of the world.

It wasn’t against convention - she offered Anne the same option that was given to her sister Princess Margaret. Which was to give her husband a title - must likely an Earldom.

That would have enabled Peter and Zara to use the titles of Lord and Lady, potentially Viscount and Lady depending on the secondary title attached to the Earldom.

Someone has already replied to this saying that Anne’s husband was offered an earldom which would have meant that Anne’s children would have been Lord and Lady. Not Prince and Princess. Harry already has the option of entitling his children Lord and Lady but decided not to, apparently because he wanted a “more normal” upbringing for his children. That is until the much more fairytale titles of “Prince and Princess” became available to use after the late Queen’s death. These were available to him as a male child of a reigning monarch. Anne, being female, could only pass on her husband’s title if he had one. See also the late Princess Margaret, whose husband did accept a title. So the rules were not changed for Anne

ETA x post Wordler again 😆

Proven by who? Genuinely want to know.

Contemporary reporting: it was the Easter holidays and he was skiing with the then Prince of Wales and his brother. He was not alone at school.

I have no comment on an illegally recorded private telephone conversation.

But lying is still lying and you suad tou don't like liars you didnt day you didnt like illegal lying...

I've never understood the hate she gets either. It's baffling. Complete jealousy in some cases, how dare a non-British person marry one of our Princes 🤴 😆

I think Meghan is seen as false in many ways. There are numerous examples in the past . Another one was spotted in her As Ever recent reel where she is allegedly cooking " her jam" in her kitchen. She is using the pot lifting utensil upside down . What's going on here? Is she wondering why she can't lift it out? Does she not in fact make jam other than for photo shoots? Where's that attention to detail? People don't like a pretender.

Yes, it's amazing how the haters just have to weasel out anything about Meghan and do negative reviews.
I quite liked bits of it, but didn't review it. I suspect there will be a lot like me.

well following on from that astute comment - why does it matter so much to Meghan that she did the show with Oprah to bring it up even when what she was saying was a lie?