It’s interesting how positive headlines about Harry coming in from the cold are being used to mask negative ones about Sarah Ferguson

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This is blatant speculation but I’m beginning to think that Harry was right all along and that the Buckingham Palace press machine uses stories about the lower ranking royals royals to protect the core of the monarchy.

So, on this occasion, to distract from damaging stories about Sarah Ferguson’s e-mails and back-tracking with Epstein, especially given the Yorks recent prominent appearance at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral, my theory is that the Palace has given a tacit nod to a story about Harry coming back in from the cold, knowing that any story about Harry or Meghan will immediately hit the top slot and overshadow anything else?

Buckingham Palace must think people are very dim, or rely on the fact that they swallow this propaganda whole without questioning it?

Of course this time Harry will be happy because the headlines are favourable to him. And on a human level everyone loves a story about a reconciliation between father and son. But generally I think the British public are being played by all of this spin to cover up the type of story about financial murkiness that Andrew Lownie uncovered and wrote about in his latest book?

All of which leads me to wondering why the Royal Family and the men in grey suits are once again protecting Andrew and Sarah? Is it simply because Andrew is the King’s brother, and therefore close to the Crown, or is it because Andrew’s financial dealings are not much different to what most of them do in the RF, but just a bit more blatant and extreme?

Who knows what the truth is any more?

That’s a very fair point.

Andrew, and his family, have so much of their own dirt going on, I doubt he will be telling stories about anyone.

I would be really surprised if he ever risked his daughters reputations by writing a tell all or a Netflix documentary. I think that would bring a spotlight on what they know and how they benefitted from Andrews connections, either knowingly or unknowingly.

I think pretty much everything Harry said was true. That is why the RF have attacked his credibility so much, because they are terrified of what else he might come out with which is true and which they have been hiding. It is also why they do not throw Prince Andrew and Sarah out of the family completely, because they also know too much. Andrew actually threatened to write a book (through “friends”) when pressure on him from KC to leave his colossal house was getting unbearable. All of a sudden that pressure has lifted.
What don’t they want us to hear? Who knows. Interesting that William was reported as being so agitated he vomited and was crying before Harry’s Oprah interview though. Perhaps there is more wrong there than the extreme laziness and pathological anger that is impossible to hide.

The RF and their individual courts have briefed against each other forever. It's just widened with the advent of the press.

The Harold coming in from the cold story has been playing out for a few weeks now so I don't think it's anything to do with covering up for the Fergies.

I do think the Fergies have dirt on the palace but I also think the palace has a vaultful on them. It's a kind of standoff with both sides knowing if their button gets pressed the result is mutually assured destruction.

I'm starting to think Andrew Lownie has it right when he says the monarchy could be brought to its knees if the full extent of the Fergies' doings ever came to light.

Very interesting points MrsLeonFarrell.

Surely though, the privacy lawsuit that Harry and the others are bringing against the DM which will be airing early in 2026 would mean they are less likely to print positive stories about him?

And they would be more supportive of William who isn’t sueing them?

If they were all out to get Sarah and Andrew then the headlines about them, you would have thought anyway, would take precedence ahead of all of the others?

Yes. William is a complex case, isn't he? I used to despise him, because of his clear nasty streak, but I've passed that now, and pity him. So clearly not happy. But I guess, given his past, it was inevitable. Harry hopefully has moved through it, with counselling and getting away from the UK. But it looks as if there is no escape for William. Another reason he's so angry I suppose. The only other person that was in that past/that space with him not only escaped, but also exposed his underside.

If Harry escaping turned the wrath of the world on him, imagine what William would face if he tried to wriggle free in some way. My god.

I think that there is stuff to come out about Prince Phillip and that is causing panic in the Establishment. You heard it here first.*

*not first, obviously….

Oh god I wish they’d both just fuck off, and then fuck off some more.

That’s an interesting take CathyorClaire

It makes sense about a possible stand off.

Are you referring to Andrew Lownie’s next book?

Apart from philandering, which was probably normal for a man of his era moving in those circles, and his racism of course and temper, which are documented, but still damning, there can’t be too many other surprises?

In a recent interview, AL seemed to think there were a lot of positive aspects about his character to write about too.

Well, obviously.
It’s interesting to me that when I was a young woman there was loads of gossip about Philip-before he became the nation’s favorite “oh, what is he like!” elderly relation. A fabulous bit of PR spinning.

Forgot to add about your last para; do you mean the monarchy could be brought to its knees because PA’s alleged corruption was potentially known about by the late Queen and current King?

I think what we do know about A's activities (financial and now sexual) on the taxpayer's dime is probably the tip of the iceberg.

In light of the sealed documents relating to his role it's very likely there's much more and maybe worse we don't yet know and yes, I think there's increasing evidence E2 knew about the issues yet her response to every indiscretion was to bestow another gong on him 😡

I hadn’t heard about half of this tbh!

I do get the strong sense that Harry and Meghan’s credibility was attacked strategically in UK, USA and Oz because they posed a threat of some sort beyond that which was justified by the publication of Spare.

I hadn’t heard about Andrew’s proposed book!

Certainly haven’t heard about William crying and vomiting about the Oprah interview! Where is this information from if you don’t mind me asking?

To me, William appears to be one of the more balanced members of the family with good boundaries but who knows?

Yes! Of course! The concealed documents! That makes sense! They really need to be made public.

I don’t understand QE2´s alleged response to PA’s alleged financial misdemeanours at all! Everyone said she put duty first, not family!
If he was breaking the law, then she would surely have been compelled to act by her advisors?

I tend to think that the positive H stories are coming from the Sussex PR rather than from Charles or William.

The Yorks can be vindictive and they know a lot of gossip, both trivial (eg consensual sex) and serious (eg corruption) so I don’t think that they’ll ever be sidelined.

I am not sure what else there is to know about Philip. We know he had a greasy zip and we know about his casual xenophobia. We also know about the incredible DoE scheme (I’m not pro-royal but in the interests of fairness this has to be mentioned). I don’t think that the existence of an illegitimate child of his would be particularly shocking or damaging tbh.

I don’t know.

The influence of the Palace stretches pretty far and wide as well!

Nobody really cares about Philip because he was a married-in and is now dead. We all know he was a philanderer. The palace protect the monarchy. That meant QE and now KC and PW and ultimately George. All of this nonsense about Harry being such an awful traitor (who let’s face it just wrote a book telling home truths about his family just like Prince Charles wrote a book telling home truths about his family) is to protect KC and PW. I think the real problem is that PW has never addressed his childhood trauma, doesn’t want to be king, can’t escape being king, and his anger and refusal to work means the whole palace edifice knows he is unsuited to be king. Yet he will be king.

never mind, England has had a lot of shit kings, he will just follow in that tradition. Funny that the best monarchs it has had are either women (Elizabeth’s I and ii, Victoria) or people who did not grow up with the expectation of being monarchs from early childhood (Elizabeth’s I and ii, Victoria, George Vi)

I think the real problem is that PW has never addressed his childhood trauma, doesn’t want to be king, can’t escape being king, and his anger and refusal to work means the whole palace edifice knows he is unsuited to be king. Yet he will be king.

@Delphigirl has it spot on here. Which is why, despite the wealth, and family life that is somewhat enviable, I think he's a very damaged individual. I do feel for him. It's a very very poisoned chalice that he drinks from.

I suspect that the positive Harry press is because they are negotiating a settlement behind the scenes. William doesn't play their game in the same way as Harry does because he sticks to never complaining or explaining (if nothing else Harry has proved the wisdom of that maxim over the years). Plus if they are going to praise Harry they have to criticise William because that's how the game works (see also Meghan/ Kate, Diana/ Sarah etc etc).

As for Andrew and Sarah, he is definitely the useful idiot taking attention from other men who are staying quiet. I also wonder how much of the press is run by men who associated with Epstein.

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Sorry meant to add. Headlines are very fleeting things these days. The Mail online for instance will cycle through many to stories in a day. I definitely saw Andrew and Sarah at the top at some point but then they sunk down. I think we who are used to print headlines see them as indicating attention and importance whereas it's far more fluid when it's online.

Do you have any evidence for any of this?

We can all write things on a forum but it doesn't make them true.

Of course they do.

I wonder though whether the effect of any revelations will be lessened because the Queen has died. It will cause a scandal if it is down that she knew what Andrew was up to but public attention is short and it is in the past.

Fair i would love Andrew to face real consequences but I think a combination of the late Queen giving him accommodation and other stuff that is hard to unravel without his cooperation, and Trump being President makes it unlikely.