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It’s interesting how positive headlines about Harry coming in from the cold are being used to mask negative ones about Sarah Ferguson

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Inotherwordspleasebetrue · 21/09/2025 08:08

This is blatant speculation but I’m beginning to think that Harry was right all along and that the Buckingham Palace press machine uses stories about the lower ranking royals royals to protect the core of the monarchy.

So, on this occasion, to distract from damaging stories about Sarah Ferguson’s e-mails and back-tracking with Epstein, especially given the Yorks recent prominent appearance at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral, my theory is that the Palace has given a tacit nod to a story about Harry coming back in from the cold, knowing that any story about Harry or Meghan will immediately hit the top slot and overshadow anything else?

Buckingham Palace must think people are very dim, or rely on the fact that they swallow this propaganda whole without questioning it?

Of course this time Harry will be happy because the headlines are favourable to him. And on a human level everyone loves a story about a reconciliation between father and son. But generally I think the British public are being played by all of this spin to cover up the type of story about financial murkiness that Andrew Lownie uncovered and wrote about in his latest book?

All of which leads me to wondering why the Royal Family and the men in grey suits are once again protecting Andrew and Sarah? Is it simply because Andrew is the King’s brother, and therefore close to the Crown, or is it because Andrew’s financial dealings are not much different to what most of them do in the RF, but just a bit more blatant and extreme?

Who knows what the truth is any more?

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Inotherwordspleasebetrue · 25/09/2025 10:41

TooTooMuchEverything · 25/09/2025 10:29

I just heard that the American Department of Justice might have to release the Epstein files in the next few weeks. I’m far, far from an expert of how American government works but a source of news I follow has said that it looks like they now have 217 of the 218 votes needed in the House in order to send it to the Senate. If the Senate passes it we could see the files within weeks.

So the case isn’t really closed yet despite the Americans saying they no longer wanted to question Andrew. That could change.

That is really excellent news. Fingers crossed that they get that extra vote!

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 10:48

There would have been a public outcry if any senior member of the RF had tried to block that prosecution going through!

A senior member did stop a prosecution, @Inotherwordspleasebetrue, when the late Queen brought Burrell's trial to an end with some ridiculous excuse about a remembered conversation which could very obviously have been disclosed much earlier

Yes there was comment at the time, but like so much else with the RF it was quickly brushed aside - probably because many didn't want to accept the glaring inconsistencies

MrsLeonFarrell · 25/09/2025 10:49

Inotherwordspleasebetrue · 25/09/2025 10:39

Do you not think we should be pursuing Andrew’s alleged fraud while acting as trade envoy, irrespective of what the US actions are concerning the e-mails?

If any ordinary civil servant was suspected of being involved in possible bribery or corruption while working for the UK government, the matter would be investigated wouldn’t it?

It’s true that Anne did go to court and was prosecuted under the dangerous dog act in 2002 for allowing her bull terrier to knock two boys aged twelve and seven off their bicycles in Windsor Great Park, one of whom received minor bites to his collar bone and leg. No stitches required. She was fined €500, the dog had to undergo mandatory training and was ordered to be kept on a lead.

There would have been a public outcry if any senior member of the RF had tried to block that prosecution going through! ( Remember the furore when Prince Philip was involved in a car accident? )

Anne could hardly deny the dog attack given that the incident took place in full view of the public. There were hospital records, And to be fair to Anne, she probably wouldn’t attempt to deny it anyway.

Fraud is a more difficult crime to prove given that it is shady by its very nature. Added to that, Prince Andrew was protected by his trade envoy role and allegedly got away with dodgy financial dealings while carrying out legitimate promotion of uk businesses, so it was probably hard to determine which part of his work was shifty and which part was legitimate.

But according to Lownie, politicians and a diplomat brought proof of Andrew’s financial wrongdoings to the late Queen, so it was known about quite early on in his trade envoy role. But it wasn’t pursued! So why was that? Andrew’s source was a former intelligence officer I believe, one that Lownie stands by. Someone high up obviously blocked further investigation.

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Yes I do think someone needs to look into Andrew's time as a trade envoy but I'm not sure who you mean when you say 'we'. The only way things will come to light is if there is the political will to find the facts. Since I'm pretty sure that both politicians and civil servants will be found culpable in enabling his grifting I'm not confident it will ever happen.

Inotherwordspleasebetrue · 25/09/2025 11:43

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 10:48

There would have been a public outcry if any senior member of the RF had tried to block that prosecution going through!

A senior member did stop a prosecution, @Inotherwordspleasebetrue, when the late Queen brought Burrell's trial to an end with some ridiculous excuse about a remembered conversation which could very obviously have been disclosed much earlier

Yes there was comment at the time, but like so much else with the RF it was quickly brushed aside - probably because many didn't want to accept the glaring inconsistencies

That’s true! That was all very odd wasn’t it?

Especially as the late Queen remembered Burrell talking to her about taking some of Diana’s papers back to his house for safe-keeping and what was actually found by the police was over 300 items of clothing, photos, keepsakes, etc.

Journalists speculated that Burrell must have threatened to say something really incriminating in court!

There were lots of rumours that Diana had something on Charles but I won’t repeat them here as it could all just be scurrilous tittle tattle.

Edited to add that no one seemed particularly perturbed by the thought of the monarch interfering in a criminal court case which is outrageous if you think about it!

Sure it was reported extensively at the time as I remember Burrell kept repeating “the Queen came through for me”… yeah right … and there was a BP internal enquiry I think but then it was all washed and dried and put away and no further discussion followed!

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 11:55

That was all very odd wasn’t it?
Especially as the late Queen remembered Burrell talking to her about taking Diana’s papers back to his house for safe-keeping and what was actually found by the police was over 300 items of clothing, photos, keepsakes, etc.

I believe it was said the police found papers too, @Inotherwordspleasebetrue, but I wouldn't quite say it was "odd" - more what I expected to happen, having been surprised that Burrell was prosecuted in the first place

If you've not already read it, Norman Baker's And What Do You Do? has an excellent chapter on this - in fact someone's just started a thread about the book and no doubt it'll be mentioned on there

Inotherwordspleasebetrue · 25/09/2025 12:02

MrsLeonFarrell · 25/09/2025 10:49

Yes I do think someone needs to look into Andrew's time as a trade envoy but I'm not sure who you mean when you say 'we'. The only way things will come to light is if there is the political will to find the facts. Since I'm pretty sure that both politicians and civil servants will be found culpable in enabling his grifting I'm not confident it will ever happen.

A depressing thought but yes that’s probably the reality of it!

I am sure the general public would be very interested in finding out more facts. Let’s hope a politician can pursue it.

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Inotherwordspleasebetrue · 25/09/2025 12:03

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/09/2025 11:55

That was all very odd wasn’t it?
Especially as the late Queen remembered Burrell talking to her about taking Diana’s papers back to his house for safe-keeping and what was actually found by the police was over 300 items of clothing, photos, keepsakes, etc.

I believe it was said the police found papers too, @Inotherwordspleasebetrue, but I wouldn't quite say it was "odd" - more what I expected to happen, having been surprised that Burrell was prosecuted in the first place

If you've not already read it, Norman Baker's And What Do You Do? has an excellent chapter on this - in fact someone's just started a thread about the book and no doubt it'll be mentioned on there

Thank you! I must order a copy!

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