It’s interesting how positive headlines about Harry coming in from the cold are being used to mask negative ones about Sarah Ferguson

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This is blatant speculation but I’m beginning to think that Harry was right all along and that the Buckingham Palace press machine uses stories about the lower ranking royals royals to protect the core of the monarchy.

So, on this occasion, to distract from damaging stories about Sarah Ferguson’s e-mails and back-tracking with Epstein, especially given the Yorks recent prominent appearance at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral, my theory is that the Palace has given a tacit nod to a story about Harry coming back in from the cold, knowing that any story about Harry or Meghan will immediately hit the top slot and overshadow anything else?

Buckingham Palace must think people are very dim, or rely on the fact that they swallow this propaganda whole without questioning it?

Of course this time Harry will be happy because the headlines are favourable to him. And on a human level everyone loves a story about a reconciliation between father and son. But generally I think the British public are being played by all of this spin to cover up the type of story about financial murkiness that Andrew Lownie uncovered and wrote about in his latest book?

All of which leads me to wondering why the Royal Family and the men in grey suits are once again protecting Andrew and Sarah? Is it simply because Andrew is the King’s brother, and therefore close to the Crown, or is it because Andrew’s financial dealings are not much different to what most of them do in the RF, but just a bit more blatant and extreme?

Who knows what the truth is any more?

Obviously in kilts…

Now I'm worrying about the prickliness of the heather.

And the Royal Nether Garments….

Based on "Entitled" A & F would try to shaft the Uber driver.

Someone on the latest Telegraph article comment section suggested that PW channel William the Bastard when he becomes king. He could do a RF equivalent of the Harrowing of the North.

I have to say that comments in UK comment sections, US comment sections, Youtube, etc. are all calling for William to come down on A, F, H, and M when he becomes king. He's got as great opportunity to become William the Reformer - people will totally support him. He should take advantage of it.

There won't be any!

It's not propaganda, it's called public relations. This ruse is used ALL the time by every organisation / political party / showbiz - anyone in the public eye - about any bit of bad news they want camouflaged.

I now have images in my head I will never erase….

I think the Harry coming in from the cold bit has backfired:

-The Epstein situation is blowing up even more in the US. Nothing is going to shut it down.
-Catherine in particular came over very well in the Trump visit. I've never been a Melania fan, and when I saw her with Catherine and the Scouts, I definitely developed a more nuanced view of her. Catherine really impressed people in the US just because she was so genuine and created such a genuine experience for Melania.
-In contrast H & M's shill for Disney made them look even more like grifters.
-People are criticizing H & M's PR people for being so incredibly obvious with their campaign.

I honestly think the comments in the media about what the king thinks about W’s work ethic are way off the mark. You can tell in the interactions between them in recent years that they have become close. Also K performs less duties than W, and the scenes at the DoK’s funeral proved how fond the King is of her, so he clearly approves of how she carries out her duties.

Apparently they met for a week this time last year too. Great idea - speak openly to each other, without having to work around engagements and family.

William when King will be a proper manager, he will do the directing from the board room in his PJs (King's Chambers) and delegate all the crap work and travel to the rest of the hangers on. They will have to clock in and out and account for every £ spent and earned. The first whiff of scandal and they will be cut off. I don't think W will care what dirt A might have on any of them, he's probably too young to have been tainted much by any of it anyway. A is protected as long as the King is alive I reckon.

W had better keep his own house in order and his nose clean in the meantime though. Or else....

I know its very off topic, and very much not relating to the seriousness of the discussion in hand, however..... That photo upthread of Harvey W, Jeffrey E and Ghislaine M at the York birthday party... did H&J run into G en route and she just popped into a Clinton Cards type shop to buy a mask...I see from the D&DofY with the E&B photo it appeard to be some sort of Disney/Princess party theme but I don't get what GM is dressed as..

Sporrans at dawn set to a haunting bagpipe soundtrack 😃

Looks like those masks worn at swinger parties. As if I should know lol 😄

It was apparently a Victorian themed masked ball and other guests have been recorded for posterity in gimp character.

The bill was c. £400k and was paid by E2.

For once I don't think I have any further words 😬

That is an obscene amount of money.

If you read "Entitled" you will understand why we revolted. The sheer amount of conspicuous consumption made me sick. I actually started singing Revolutionary War ditties at one point to preserve my sanity.

I don't think W will care what dirt A might have on any of them, he's probably too young to have been tainted much by any of it anyway

We can only hope you're right, @inamo - the idea of another generation's worth of this is almost too much

It's well seen that the curation of W&K's image is a priority, and it's to be hoped that's because they know most of the rest are busted flushes rather than any other reason

Agree, I wasn’t suggesting he could but when I said that the justice system bears his insignia, I was trying to make the point that the monarch should stand for probity, fairness, legality etc.

It’s outrageous that the late Queen potentially covered up fraud!

How much did Charles know?

As long as Andrew is seemingly still under the RF’s wing of protection, no police force is going to present a case to the CPS about him unfortunately.

Considering Anne was prosecuted over her dogs i doubt the King will protect Andrew from far more serious charges. But someone has to bring the charges and as far as I am aware the Americans aren't pursuing the case anymore.

There is a world of difference between having a dangerous dog and abusing trafficked teenagers, but yes, no ones talking so its case closed.
Re his trade envoy role that would implicate the LQ and the whole family, as well as all the government ministers who decided to do the RF's bidding over holding truth to power as they should have done. Again. Cover up for 100 years.

I wonder how “squeaky clean” Prince William is and if he is how he manages to be the only one.

Yeah funny that!

I just heard that the American Department of Justice might have to release the Epstein files in the next few weeks. I’m far, far from an expert of how American government works but a source of news I follow has said that it looks like they now have 217 of the 218 votes needed in the House in order to send it to the Senate. If the Senate passes it we could see the files within weeks.

So the case isn’t really closed yet despite the Americans saying they no longer wanted to question Andrew. That could change.

Do you not think we should be pursuing Andrew’s alleged fraud while acting as trade envoy, irrespective of what the US actions are concerning the e-mails?

If any ordinary civil servant was suspected of being involved in possible bribery or corruption while working for the UK government, the matter would be investigated wouldn’t it?

It’s true that Anne did go to court and was prosecuted under the dangerous dog act in 2002 for allowing her bull terrier to knock two boys aged twelve and seven off their bicycles in Windsor Great Park, one of whom received minor bites to his collar bone and leg. No stitches required. She was fined €500, the dog had to undergo mandatory training and was ordered to be kept on a lead.

There would have been a public outcry if any senior member of the RF had tried to block that prosecution going through! ( Remember the furore when Prince Philip was involved in a car accident? )

Anne could hardly deny the dog attack given that the incident took place in full view of the public. There were hospital records, And to be fair to Anne, she probably wouldn’t attempt to deny it anyway.

Fraud is a more difficult crime to prove given that it is shady by its very nature. Added to that, Prince Andrew was protected by his trade envoy role and allegedly got away with dodgy financial dealings while carrying out legitimate promotion of uk businesses, so it was probably hard to determine which part of his work was shifty and which part was legitimate.

But according to Lownie, politicians and a diplomat brought proof of Andrew’s financial wrongdoings to the late Queen, so it was known about quite early on in his trade envoy role. But it wasn’t pursued! So why was that? Andrew’s source was a former intelligence officer I believe, one that Lownie stands by. Someone high up obviously blocked further investigation.