I have pre-ordered Andrew Lownie's Book (out I think 14th August) A thread for those interested in "Entitled"

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So for those interested in this book about the Yorks. I will read it and interested to hear from others who have or to give an opinion.

No spitting , no gouging 😂

Just finished the book.
The last page is very thought provoking - what would be the consequences for the monarchy if the full extent of the Yorks’ involvement with Jeffrey Epstein emerged.
According to one former Buckingham Palace employee- they’d be toast, this scandal would bury them..
a lot of Andrew’s wrongdoings were done on the taxpayer’s tab.

Haven't they got too many friends in high places who would also go down with them?
If too many very powerful people are under threat they're going to get together and do everything they can to block the threat, surely 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes agree with you.

I still don’t think the royals would be “toast”. There is too much apathy. And in fairness, many would question why William, Catherine and their children should bear the brunt of something that is nothing to do with them. Much of the Yorks’ despicable behaviour happened when W was very young and before C was involved with him.

I don't think any one scandal currently has the capacity to finish them but there's an ever increasing number of unsavoury revelations making it to print and they're less untouchable since E2 died.

Already a lot more questioning of what they're for. I think the drip effect is what will do will do for them in the end.

I totally agree. I read an article today somewhere and I can't remember where saying that Charles is not happy with William and his inactivity
He had to be forced to go to the pope's funeral because he wanted to go to a footie match instead, and Charles was not happy he swerved the VJ Day commemorations

It is unusual to see this sort of opinion so I do wonder

Yes, it’s like a new member of the touring cast of Les Mis thinking that the audiences and ovations are all for her, not the overall show and production. A cast member can be popular, but flying solo after being in an ensemble is extremely risky without a lot of talent, focus, hard work, connections, the genuine admiration of the public and one’s industry, and luck.

Loads of really talented people didn’t make it flying solo.

It will be very interesting to see new material Andrew Lownie has said he intends to include in the paperback version which will be released in a few months.

Do you have a link for that as I have never read anything like that ?
I did read this -
www.instyle.com/king-charles-begged-prince-william-not-make-mistake-he-made-11737354

Has anyone ever seen the Australian 60 minute interview with SF about taking money (£40,000) for, I think, access to Andrew? It was some time ago but fascinating, on YouTube and other platforms. I have never seen the whole interview, if that happened, but she appears appalling. I would love to hear other views on this.

No
But I'm not making it up, why would I?
My laptop is out of action and so I can't go back on my history and I'm stuck on a mobile. I remember it was a magazine I think
You can choose to disbelieve it if you like

Was that the one where she stropped off?

If so, I've seen that bit yes!

Ok. Found it. Cosmopolitan via Yahoo news.
And also in the Daily Beast
Two links
Quite prepared to have these sources rubbished but no different to your link! The point I was making is that it is unusual to see this sort of negativity in an article about W and Charles

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/william-charles-didnt-speak-royal-115700943.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/king-charles-fraught-relationship-with-william-is-blocking-harry-reconciliation/

Hope you're happy with my links, my phone came up trumps after all ! 🤣

Was this the article jumpingthehighjump?

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a65980034/prince-william-king-charles-not-speaking-tense/

If true; quite interesting I thought!

It’s quite specific about William and Charles not spending any time together at Balmoral.

Of course that could be because KC is ill. He is having weekly chemotherapy I believe so might have been advised not to mix with children.

But it also quotes “multiple sources” saying that;

“Prince William and King Charles are not getting along at the moment, largely because of their differing opinions on how the monarchy should be run”

And that, the Daily Beast “spoke to one insider who said that William and Charles' relationship is "tense, difficult, formal, and fraught," and that "the vast majority of their communication is mediated by their private secretaries." “

Tbh it’s always struck me as strange that so few journalists address the relationship between Charles and both of his sons.

I have always thought it credible that the breakdown between Harry and his father was not always 100 per cent Harry’s fault.

It’s not always the case by any means but you only have to read the pages of Mumsnet to know that there can be many tensions and opposing loyalties within families when a step-parent is involved.

And now this article about William.

The article is in an entertainment magazine and I don’t know anything about the Daily Beast that it quotes, but Charles, for all of his good points, has always struck me as someone who favoured his romantic relationships over those with his children. Also, he had a terribly dysfunctional example of parenthood growing up.

PR from Montecito trying to make problems. No links - just following a pattern of behaviour.

I see Harry has arrived in the UK.

He is so brave to visit such a dangerous country…..

Especially since the first thing he did was lay a wreath on the grave of his grandmother. Drumming up maximum attention and publicity, and letting everyone know he’s still part of the RF.

Lovely. Apart from one COVID year when he did a video link he has attended Wellchild awards for about 20 years now.

Good for him

Anyway this is about Lownie book and Andrew and Sarah, not the usual boring sniping at Harry so back to it!

On the subject of Andrew Lownie I have just finished the book he did on the Mountbatten's. To say I'm gobsmacked is an understatement. Apart from some good they did, what utterly debauched lives they lived! Edwina had 18 lovers during her marriage, some run concurrently 😮

Have you read my links? You did ask for them and I obliged 😇

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I hate Mountbatten for obvious reasons. But I DO like Edwina,,for all her terrible behaviour to her daughters & Mountbatten (tho tbf I find it hard to feel sorry for him given what he probably did to children)

Her humanitarian work in WW2, the Partition of India, and afterwards was truly admirable. In India she risked her life several times to put down angry mobs during the horrific Partition riots. She continued working extremely hard for people in need until her death, arguably (her doctor said) that is what caused her death at 58.

Also, arguably being raised by an mother who had 'no idea how to be a parent' and then died when she was 9, leaving her w an uncaring father & and cruel stepmother, then severe bullying at boarding school, probably had quite an impact on what kind of parent she was when she became a mum at 22. It is no excuse, but it does make me feel some sympathy.

Absolutely. She has more sympathy from me than Dickie who abused his position in the most dreadful way.
She was just incapable of parenting her daughters but in the end they thought the world of her so they did have a good adult relationship with them.

Similar emotional experiences to Diana with childhood trauma leaving her vulnerable to an adulthood of exploitation and unstable/disorganised attachment behaviours (lots of affairs and fallings out with friends) which would have kept her preoccupied and not present enough to be the best mother she could be. No blame on her. She was dealt a very bad hand as a young child so didn’t have the emotional development or intelligence needed to focus on her sons. Also Diana was exposed to domestic violence so her early trauma experience of reading the room on high alert for emotional / physical violence and managing others moods equipped her to be the empathic and compassionate campaigner that we saw.