I have pre-ordered Andrew Lownie's Book (out I think 14th August) A thread for those interested in "Entitled"

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So for those interested in this book about the Yorks. I will read it and interested to hear from others who have or to give an opinion.

No spitting , no gouging 😂

Just to add, of course it is really quite disgusting for him to talk about anal sex to people who are giving him a massage or whatever

No, but as an opening chat-up line though! I would also say it’s not for everyone and for A to ask about it on meeting a woman (who may not be a sex worker and not be up for anything at all) is outrageous.

Totally agree.

So crude

Well, we just don’t know, as Patrick Moore was so fond of saying!

But I cannot imagine that conversation…I know my mum ( similar generation) would have had to be carted away gibbering to herself if someone had described to her the kind of thing PA is said to have got up to.

Yes, I know my mum is not the late Queen!🤣

Just read a comment by Jennie Bond saying KC is a kind man and will not exclude PA and SF because he is fond of his nieces.
I think it's to do with the dogs getting their break in Balmoral too.
Jennie says they probably won't talk about it and avoid each other as much as possible!

I'm wondering if they will stay to be there on the 8th September in the same way TLQ stayed at Sandringham until February 6th.

Apparently he would take loose ladies to tea regularly with the Queen, which I find hard to believe, she simply wouldnt entertain it but if she did then she knew the type of women he was hanging out with. It certainly wouldnt have escaped her notice that NO nice women were interested in dating him or he them! If I were her I would also be concerned that he never married or had a serious relationship with another woman after SF. So her beloved son was either repellent to women, gay or an out and out perv! most mums would have had those thoughts!

Let’s hope she’s wrong about that.

It depends what she means by ‘exclude’. I get that he’s fond of his nieces but he needs to sit down and explain that, in his role, sentimental family matters can’t take priority. He doesn’t need to be nasty to them - just to say that due to the shocking revelations he cannot include their parents in royal life.

Yes - this aspect I find more baffling than the question of what she knew. I can’t bear PA, but as his mum she must have thought- it would be nice if he met someone else.

I can’t imagine she was OK with his conduct - and we don’t know hat she said to him, or to other family members, about it. I hope someone will spill the beans on this.

What did the late Queen Elizabeth II imagine she was paying that £12 million for a few years ago, if not to keep Andrew out of the witness box? She knew plenty of the details, enough to understand the jeopardy fully. In fact she was canny enough to disconnect herself from any actual personal payments by her directly to the late Ms Giuffre.

https://time.com/6149123/prince-andrew-settlement-virginia-giuffre-royal-finances/

The more I read, the more I remember, and the more things now slot better into place, the more astonished I am by the scale and the implacability of it all.

Not excusing other royals and the adjuncts, but I can better see how and why some of them went looney-tunes inside The Machine.

You post @TheAutumnCrow ”What did the late Queen Elizabeth 11 imagine she was paying that £12 million fir a few years ago, if not to keep Andrew out of the witness box ? She knew plenty of the details enough to understand the jeopardy fully…..”

Too true.

One thing the AL book has made me think ( & I support a constitutional monarchy by and large ) is the RF (capitals ) need to take a lesson from this book. I suspect they will not want to be seen to be giving knee-jerk reactions - that is not their way. But I do think more transparency and openness would be a very good start. It saddens me somewhat that QEII's reputation is tarnished by her turning a blind eye to some of PA's antics. I don't believe she knew about all of them but she must have had an inkling. He was working as a paid Civil Servant representing her Government FFS. My husband basically supports a Constitutional Monarchy also but like I think @CurlewKate said about her DP -(apologies if misremembered ) he asked me to stop telling him things. Now he is a bit more "radical" than I but he said the other evening - I reckon they've got two generations. By which he means if by the time George steps in things are not a lot clearer re finances and the RF can be examined etc by questions in Parliament ( which PA should have been imo) then the tide may turn. & let's face it a lot of support for the RF is probably inertia. But I think they need to treat PA revelations as very very serious and if I were KC I would do a couple of quick things ( remove the Garter - any official offices, robes , titles remaining and get him out of RL ) even if it is for a quick PR win. At least show you are taking it seriously because for most of us removing HRH isn't the big deal HLMTQ thought it was. I think they should also in short order allow FOI requests re PA as Trade Envoy. It will be ugly - but do it quickly and lance the boil.

Well , that is my two penny'orth for what it is worth . 😊

What did the late Queen Elizabeth II imagine she was paying that £12 million for a few years ago, if not to keep Andrew out of the witness box?

There was the issue of protecting the upcoming Jubilee too, @TheAutumnCrow

I don't imagine they'd have enjoyed the case rumbling on through the summer, so a payout was a handy way of shutting it down in time

I think they should also in short order allow FOI requests re PA as Trade Envoy. It will be ugly - but do it quickly and lance the boil.

I so agree with this but unfortunately, as an old cynic, I just don't think that will happen. They have sealed everything about his TA role for 40+ years and I have never known them unseal anything ever.

let's face it a lot of support for the RF is probably inertia

^ This 100%

I really don't think the royal family are the ones who are keeping the trade envoy records sealed - they just don't have that power to protect someone like Andrew.

There's a group of people at different levels and roles in the government of the time who enabled everything Andrew got up to as trade envoy. They continued to approve the budget and finance his escapades. They sent staff with him on engagements - they witnessed and were party to everything that was going on.

And I suspect that opening the process of how that happened for this one particular case would lead to a lot more revelations and potentially whistleblowing on what other high profile men have been doing over the years on the government budget.

It's available for pre-order on UK Amazon but the price is an eye watering if rather random £25.91. Kindle version releases a week later at £9.49 which also seems quite pricy for the format.

I'm hoping and expecting a UK newspaper will publish the salient points.

Order it from the library

I will if it's available but I'm not sure it's going to be top of many cash-strapped councils' buy list.

Totally agree. There were many enablers and blind-eye turners at high official levels. Most of this couldn’t have happened without that.

As a proud Yorkshire woman I would be delighted to see him stripped of his Duke of York title it really sticks in my throat.

The Vintage Read will probably cover the Giuffre book on her YouTube channel.

Fawning classes start again in September.

Kate's gone blonde. It's lovely.

When Prince Andrew said that he can't remember that photo being taken, or the person, maybe he's telling the truth.

I don't think I was suggesting that men don't tell their mothers anything. I believe I said 'everything'.

I would imagine that number of women would all run together. He wasn't exactly thinking of them as people.