Is As ever all over? Starting to feel like it.

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It’s been 14 hours since the launch of the 2024 Rose. Nothing has sold out. This is despite it being designed again as a scarcity drop, so it can’t be argued she’s finally got her stock levels right.

• As ever stated the wine launch going ‘live’ at on the 5th August. Language designed to get you to rush and buy. Just like all this SM shopping you get now.
• Meghan put out a message many hours ago, stating that they have so much more stock (sad clapback to stuff not shifting) but hurry and be quick because it’s selling fast!!! (It’s clearly not)
• This launch however, has attracted very little press compared to previous drops

The scarcity gimmick is already tired and because she’s been absent from SM for 2 months…save for a few stock images/videos- she’s lost any momentum she had. She’s putting in bare minimum and her customer base feel it. She’s checked out.

There’s been talk of another series of WLM 3 and Meg getting a new NF contract, but I think that is just to fill the void until she can get WLM2 out. At which point, we will find out if there is any truth in any further deals.

The reason why I doubt WLM3, is that for continuity, you would need the same venue. But the home is now being used to to host weddings etc, it’s no longer a private rental but one open to the public to rent. There’s no way Meg would film in that location now. In addition she would need to have gotten the go ahead already for WLM3 and be filming right now to be able to stick to a schedule. The fact that it isn’t already confirmed, it’s giving the signal that WLM is over (in addition to knowing NF deal is done)

Now if WLM is over, I don’t think she has the draw to pull people to As ever. She doesn’t engage with her fan base enough, she does the bare minimum of SM posts, which she hasn’t even achieved the last few months. The Shopmy page is dead too. This is why the new wine launch has barely registered and hasn’t sold out 14 hours later. Yes, there will be more stock but it’s been designed for a sell out so there won’t be huge numbers.

As ever I think will be slowly wound down. There will be WLM2, with maybe another 18 months of drops. Then like everything else, it will be dropped quietly. Everyone is starting to get a bit bored by the half hearted, very beige effort she’s put into her ‘business’ and have tuned out.

She will have to launch yet another version of herself very soon. We’ve had actress, feminist, activist, producer, philanthropist….now female founder. God knows what’s next!

@Ploachedplorridge Try cleaning out your browser daily. Also, your phone may need to be cleaned out. My sister is constantly getting a new iPhone, filling it up with photos, and then it is too slow. I tell her to look through and delete.Do you have too many windows and apps open? When did you last run an antivirus scan?

Out of interest @Ploachedplorridge as you are a regular poster on the RF boards what does frequently changing your name achieve? We all have our own style which is recognisable if you spend time on this board??

@Ploachedplorridge there is no plot to exclude “ self declared republicans” or any other type of poster. I went through a phase of having all sorts of glitches with MN which were solved when I switched browser. I still have the occasional issue where pages are slow to load or will not scroll, but if I shut my browser and reopen it it’s fine. I have never declared myself to be a republican or a royalist or a Martian or anything else. I was a victim of a glitch, as you undoubtedly are too 🙄

eta I suspect that MN is not the most smooth working of sites nor the most technologically forward thinking. Hence glitches

You see, this is why I normally change my nn frequently on this board because some Royalists like to break talk guidelines and mention other threads within a thread simply to be snarky!

As I said in the other thread, please feel free to report me.

And whilst you’re at it please feel free to continue taking cheap pot shots at me that continually fail to reach their mark - not that you need my permission but it’s important that you know I’m no coward and I don’t visit these boards in fear of posters like you.

Oh and I’m still waiting for you to show me the post where I specifically said ‘Archie is autistic’ which is what you very clearly accused me of on the other thread. Not that I think it exists mind you because I’m pretty sure I tied myself in knots not to say it given how I personally know the seriousness of it. But as I said before I’m happy to have you show me where I said it - not that I think you can and the only person who mentioned autism is you.

And one last thing - if you’re going to try and stitch someone up you need to be a bit sneakier when doing it , especially when there’s a thread where the persons comments can be seen in context and even if I had said I thought Archie was autistic the context is there for people to see that I was in fact defending/offering an alternative opinion on things being said about Harry and Meghan as parents when people had brought the children into the posts.

@Weepixie, I’m pretty sure that comment was meant for me not you! ❤️

Sorry it’s taking me so long to reply because of aforesaid tech issues!

I’m not sure we have seen much evidence to that effect though BigWillyLittleTodger.

I agree that Meghan and Harry probably, wrongly and naively, thought that they held all of the cards in the early days of Oprah interviews and streaming deals.

But since then it’s been Harry asking permission to see his father. And Harry having all the doors closed in his face.

I agree with you too that the RF’s influence has limits, especially in the USA, but I do think it has leverage in the press through the tit for tat deals that it makes in the parts of the world with English-speaking publishing rights.

The RF have their “tame” correspondents in the UK for sure.

We know that Piers Morgan, Jeremy Clarkson, Gyles Brandreth have links to Camilla in some capacity either personal friendship or through charity work. They have all been spouting loudly about M and H!

And we conveniently saw Meghan and Harry’s credibility being smeared in the USA in the form of (unproven) bullying allegations suspiciously just a day or two before the Oprah interview.

Then Jason Knauf pops up in Australia saying the same thing about these conveniently “leaked” allegations. He is now working as a trustee of Eathshott so not exactly unbiased.

It’s no less than a clever global smear campaign imho, I can’t understand why others can’t see it honestly!

And yet we only learn about Andrew’s bullying and shouting at staff and sexually harassing of a nanny to the extent she left; when an investigative journalist sets his mind to uncovering this information which the RF or someone working for them
has tried to hide eg trade envoy records.

So what I mean by unfairness is that the RF are willing to make vague claims of bullying by Meghan known globally, but not prove them. But Prince Andrew’s known bullying is covered up.

They may both be bullies for all we know! I happen to thick it was more of a culture and personality clash between Meghan and the Royals and she wasn’t suitably deferential!

But say she is guilty of bullying, we agree that two wrongs do not make a right. But the way their two cases are presented to the public is very different. And that’s my main bugbear! .

The bullying claims are not unfounded!
and now they have apparently transferred over to American staff , American publications reporting on them !

WeePixie

I’m pretty sure that comment was meant for me not you! ❤️

I didn’t realise that. But I’m pretty sure it was about me (also)🤣

Didn't Harry himself say that staff were slumped across their desks crying?

Thats the problem with snide allegations!
either use a name or keep it to yourself. 😁

Just echoing this.

Then Jason Knauf pops up in Australia saying the same thing about these conveniently “leaked” allegations. He is now working as a trustee of Eathshott so not exactly unbiased.
It’s no less than a clever global smear campaign imho, I can’t understand why others can’t see it honestly!

Nice smear yourself there on one of the few people in this saga who has behaved with personal integrity throughout (he made an official compliant to HR because he wasn’t prepared to sit by and do nothing when he saw staff being bullied, and likewise wasn’t going to sit back and do nothing when he saw Meghan and Omid Scobie lying to the court about matters he had personally been involved in).

But you can’t see that Meghan and Harry are also not exactly unbiased and also engaged in a global smear campaign themselves?

Yes! , yes he did , how anyone can say “unfounded “ after the reams of information and investigation from both the U.K. and USA is beyond me!
its Parroting the old arguments h and m used before they moved! 🙄

Sorry for delay in responding.

Weepixie you have it totally wrong. I was referring to Jeffgoldblum

As it happens, you did do this to me on another thread this morning but I wasn’t referring to that.

I thought it was against Talk guidelines but it appears not to be and I stand corrected.

I still consider it poor form but never mind! Life is too short! And times and rules change!

Please just trust me when I say that you attract a lot of unnecessary vitriol on this board if you defend a Republican viewpoint. I am not the only Republican to say so!

You don’t see the link between the supposed “leaks” and his job at Earthshott? Come on! It’s all a little convenient isn’t it?

Edited to say that at least H and M were overt about it!

People disagreeing with posts is not vitriol! 🙄
nobody has the right to post anything they fancy without it being challenged!
and if you think being a republican makes you a victim then you obviously were not here when most of us old timers were vilified and called racist and mass reported for simply stating an opinion!
there were actual republicans among us then as are now!
they suffered the same as us .
🙄

First of all talk of “suffering” and “victims” is a little over the top. I didn’t use those words. You did. We all choose to be here.

Of course disagreeing with posts is not vitriol! And yet you chose to get very upset about a comment I made about someone I thought sounded like a pompous arse, entirely unrelated to you! It was my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don’t mind being challenged at all! It’s the unnecessary sneering condescension and vitriol I object to, such as your post above!

Yes thank you Smilsey received and understood 😀!

Yes thank you Smilsey received and understood 😀!

I have just read your posts to @Weepixieon that thread .
you owe her an apology, you publicly accused her of discussing Meghans children ( not Harry’s apparently) and saying they were autistic!
that is completely untrue and almost everyone here knows it’s not true!
you were the one spinning the whole republican victim line .

Thank you very much for this advice. 💐

I will try it out! If it were photos, I think it would happen on all of the sm sites I visit though? I visit a popular forum related to my hobby without any issues.

Also, it doesn’t even happen on all of Mumsnet. I can access some very long threads that I posted on without any issues.

It’s only on the RF board that I’ve had problems.

But I appreciate the information and will start with my browser.

No BP or JK did not 'leak' any bullying allegations ahead of the OW interview.

JK emailed allegations of bullying by MM in 2018 to BP.

BP issued a press release in 2021 that they had employed an external legal firm to investigate said allegations and then another in 2022 to say that this had concluded but the results would remain confidential.

MM has a persistent and consistent record of bullying, belitting and harassing staff in the work place before, during and after her time in BP - and on both sides of the Atlantic.

Interviews with multiple witnesses and multiple victims have been recorded in numerous, credible publications which would have ensured that their facts were legally robust and evidenced based to avoid repercussions from this highly litigious couple.

Note that H&M have never once legally challenged any one of the reports - why would they sit back and allow such defamation?

Reports have said that she has bullied workers from their livilhoods and caused significant emotional injury that some needed to access professional medical intervention to recover.

To date, officially in the public domain we have:

The director of The Reitmans ad campaign who posted on SM in 2016 (pre MM meeting PH) that she was the meanest person he has ever had to work with. This was also covered by Newsweek in 2022.

Reports in The Times about MM behaviour on tour and within BP (2021).

Chapters outlining the abuse meted out in BP by MM in Valentine Low's book Courtiers (2022).

Report by The Hollywood Reporter about her impact on staff in US (2024)

Report by Access Hollywood about MM treatment of staff in US (2024)

Report by Vanity Fair about MM behaviours towards staff in US (2025)

All of these witnessed and victims would have NDAs and their careers would have been under threat to have spoken out.

There is a pattern of behaviour here to see excatly whats going on.

I struggle to understand how you can choose to negate and dismiss the experiences of dozens of standard working people, across many time periods, geographies and professional settings, who were either witnesses to or victims of, her appalling behaviour. Do you assume they all got together over this 10 years span to make it all up? Whats your explanation?

Jason Knauf’s didn’t have a job at Earthshot when he filed the complaint that Meghan was bullying staff. Or when he sent emails to Omid Scobie, as instructed by his bosses, with Meghan’s notes for Findng Freedom. He worked for Meghan and Harry at the time. He then left to work at William and Kate’s Royal Foundation, but his involvement in the Sussex circus all came from the time when he worked for them.

You’d have to consider Jason Knauf as capable of playing an extremely prescient long game in going to work for Meghan and Harry’s communications team, presumably in order to get dirt on them, long before anyone had any inkling how it would all turn out!

He went to court and told the truth about Meghan’s drafting of her letter to her father and how he was involved in that, and Meghan’s passing of information to Omid Scobie, and how he was involved in that too. In both cases he had copies of emails from the time in question to back up his testimony. None of this would have been remotely relevant (or even possible) if Meghan hadn’t first lied to the court about her and her staff’s actions in doing both those things. That’s on Meghan, and Meghan alone. It can’t be “convenient” for someone to tell the court you’d been lying to the court if you don’t lie to the court on the first place…

(and all he said in the Australian interview was that it was hard to see the Princes fall out and that there had been some great times with them both in the past)

How do you know Harry is having doors closed in his face ? On one of his visits to the dangerous (!) UK , he was offered Royal accommodation but decided to stay in a hotel . Make that make sense.
I understood that Harry wants an apology before there can be any reconciliation? Rightly or wrongly the RF clearly do not feel an apology is appropriate.
Harry and Meghan have tried to trash the reputation of Catherine and Camilla told umpteen lies and have blabbed about personal family matters .
Why on earth would any of them want them in the same room ?
Charles did not want Meghan at Balmoral ( a place she was suddenly keen to visit after refusing previous invitations). I wonder why .
I am sure The King loves both his sons however when trust is broken it is hard to repair .
(And yes I have personal experience of such a situation. )

But since then it’s been Harry asking permission to see his father. And Harry having all the doors closed in his face.

If there are any doors being closed in Harry’s face it will be due to his own behaviour and how he has treated members of his family.

He has burnt his bridges and he will now have to live with the consequences of that.