As Never the second release ...

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Wine, apricot spread and honey. I think we've had all the suggestions for names already ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14832085/amp/Meghan-Markle-new-products-rose-wine-apricot-spread.html

I think there is an air of resentment around Meghan towards Doria. Maybe because she never had the picture perfect childhood. We know in high school she wrote this poem:

Two houses, two homes, two kitchens, two phones,
Two couches where I lay, two places that I stay,
Moving, moving here and there, from Monday to Friday I'm everywhere,
Don't get me wrong, it's not that bad
But often times it makes me sad,
I want to live that nuclear life,
With a happy dad and his loving wife,
A picket fence, a shaggy dog,
A fireplace with a burning log,
But it's not real, it's just a dream,
I cannot cry or even scream,
So here I sit with cat number three,
Life would be easy if there were two of me.”

Think that’s why she is so determined to show how perfect her life is. She married a Prince and has a Princess daughter, Archie the future Duke.
She paints herself as the devoted mother who does it all be all because ‘she doesn’t want to miss a moment’. That poem is very telling that she doesn’t mention at all, her mum. It’s that she wants her dad to have the ‘perfect wife’. I think she’s playing that part in her head. The perfect wife.

Funny, because Doria who was away for parts of Megs childhood because of her pretty normal jobs- Meg seems to think she can legit run a billionaire business whilst being the perfect trad wife mum who stays at home. Also an indicator of why As ever is destined to fail. You cant be everything. But I think it’s this point she has to prove to her mum….you can be around, you can do pickups, you can volunteer at school and you can run a super successful business. She’s full of resentment for her own childhood.

They’ve never seemed especially close to me. It’s a very strange dynamic when you see the pair of them. She talks to her mum in the way she’d talk to anybody. Usually, there’s some form of deference around your mum but Meg doesn’t have that.

So Megs built this fake life. Married to a Prince, lives in the perfect climate, in the perfect McMansion home, that has soho house mood music pumped throughout the house 24/7, one boy and one girl, 3 dogs (no longer cats). She picks flowers and fruit and veg from the garden and ‘shares’ her joy with fans (for a cost)

Anything that gets in her way or anyone that holds her accountable, is cut off and it’s their problem- theyre racist, jealous etc.

She’s perfect in her own eyes. She doesn’t even think about failure.

It is really strange how little is known about (Doria) in this age of being able to find out anything about anyone fairly easily

Internet entries can easily be scrubbed, @Thinlyveiled, but as I've mentioned before the RF will certainly know

Same with Meghan and Harry, where it's often forgotten tthat the family will know much more tthan the rest of us, which will doubtless have informed the decisions they've made

As with the rest of them, the image we're sold doesn't necessarily reflect tthe whole reality, and as we've seen the consequences of the truth leaking out can be desperate

Plus…imagine a social and racial justice activist as she’s painted herself in the past, naming her daughter after two British, white aristocrats- her long dead mother in Law and the woman who is head of the racist institution you ran away from and NOT your own African American mother.

Its not even Lilibet Diana Doria

They aren’t close at all. I’m surprised there is still any kind of relationship there at all.

Yes, that always struck me as odd.

I am not sure about internet scrubbing. SM and TMj wouldn’t ever hold back if there was something to say.

And I wonder if Catherine’s secure middle-class childhood and lack of drama in her family was one of the reasons Meghan targeted her?

The most plausible source for Archie's name is that it is for Major Tom Archer-Burton (know as Archie), Harry's CO and close friend. There was speculation it was for Diana's ancestor Archibald Campbell 9th Earl of Argyll, but I think that is a bit arcane even for another Diana linkie (and he ended up with his head on a spike for complicity with Cromwell)

Close friend fair enough of course but had I been Meghan I might have wanted one of my family names used for at least one of the children, especially instead of the unnecessary patronym "Harrison". I know it could be argued that the Wales's didn't exactly go off piste from traditional Royal names (although Elizabeth is Catherine and Carole Middletons second name and now Charlotte's) but H&M weren't exactly bound by the same restrictions.

(Have learned that Doria has a younger half brother called Joffrey. Perhaps not... one for the Thrones fans😂although I'm sure there are plenty of other choices)

Most definitely. Kate had the perfect upbringing, siblings close in age, dogs, country home, close to her parents etc.

Something that I think Kate herself is trying to replicate.

Whereas Meg is imaging and creating as she goes along, the template for the perfect mum/wife.

I was under the impression that Archie was a favourite comic and the Omid slip up of Katy Keen, that the only possible source for that was Meghan herself.

Of course he’s regretful. It didn’t work.
They thought they were going to be the new RF in America and they would do it soooo much better than those old fashioned fuddie duddies in the U.K. AND they would be enormously wealthy.
They underestimated the desire for an American RF and that is the organisation and the pomp and ceremony that makes them what they are.
Now they are trying desperately to be ‘relateable ’ which is the total opposite of a RF.

Also what’s happening with the promo for her wine?
It launches in 4days. I mean it will ‘sell out’ in 30 mins regardless but strange that theres nothing.

Maybe it’s true that Harry is pissed off that she’s launching wine on the day of his mother’s birthday- the woman who died in part because of the actions of a drunk driver.

Regarding thinking she’s special, I don’t know how working as a jobbing actress doesn’t rub your edges off a little. Yes she was very attractive (and still is) but so are all 20-something wannabe actresses in LA. She didn’t get Suits until she was nearly 30 - she must have had years of knockbacks and fighting for small roles. I could understand that kind of arrested development from a child star or someone who has their big break in their early 20s but I find it puzzling here.

So anyone who isn't brought up thay way didn't have the perfect upbringing? Did you have all that? If someone is ab only child is their upbringing considered not perfect because they didn't have siblings close in age? If someone never grew up with dogs is their upbringing less than perfect. What utter tosh thay you consider those things as a perfect upbringing. No such thing

I read that she was a member of a religious cult for years and M attended their church. Yet the media have never picked that up.Her parents were married within that organisation.

The term cult gives the impression of something sinister but I think it was just an alternative spiritual organisation. Doria and Thomas did marry in that church, no-one has ever questioned the legitimacy of the ceremony in terms of whether it would be recognised as a legal marriage so presumably it is. This is one of the things I believe the media would have been all over if it had been anyone else.

I do wonder if some of the restlessness and disquiet is from kissing the prince and him turning into a frog. I think Diana realised some of Charles's amphibian traits (as far as she was concerned) before the wedding but it was a very late stage and put down to "nerves".

I don't think Meghan is a secure person and maybe there are some deep seated reasons for that. We know Harry isn't (and ditto) but IMO what in part makes a successful relationship or marriage is having personalities that don't amplify each others worst traits and neuroses. They appear to have bonded because "The World And Especially That Horrible Royal Family Are Soooo Unfair To Us And We Deserve Better" but in reality it's mutual reinforcement of a delusion.

The disconnect of the image of the people that they invisage themselves as and the reality of them does create the headlines and the polarisation. From those who hang on their words like gospel to those who immediately call bullshit. With people who don't give a shit either way tuned out. The dilemma has always been trying to persuade those who call bullshit that they do have some humility whilst remaining gods among people to their supporters. Meghan tries occasionally but for an actress she is really bad at facial expressions and Harry gets angry and condescending, "did Meghan call my family racist". I thought Harry gave off regret in the BBC interview, but this regret is for how it made his family respond (his negative consequences) and not for what he wrote/said and certainly not remorse or guilt for inaccuracies.

No, not at all - but we’re talking about perceptions. It’s possible that to Meghan Catherine’s upbringing seemed idyllic, very English, secure, without drama - a contrast to her own. It’s human nature to idealise things you lack.

I want to live that nuclear life,
With a happy dad and his loving wife,
A picket fence, a shaggy dog,
A fireplace with a burning log

It’s Megs idea of what the perfect childhood is and what she wanted.

If you have a problem with that, your issue is with Megs, not me.

@CoffeeCantataI know what you mean about Kate’s family. I didn’t have a great home life as a teenager so for a long time I would have looked at a family like the Middletons and felt envious. However, now I have my own happy little family unit, although we are far from perfect, I wouldn’t. I also now realise that coming from that kind of apparently perfect family doesn’t guarantee happiness.

It's a fair point, Kweenbee, though "scrubbing" certainly does take place - the classic example being the Oprah interview along with others

It's also true that the ghastly Samantha, Thomas Jr and their dad seem pretty quiet ATM, but then who knows what's going on behind the scenes and what influence is being brought to bear

I think you are being a little disingenuous here. Catherine seemed to have it all as regards a family , and they do seem to be a tight knit supportive group. But I think she was bullied at school to the extent she moved schools . So no family is perfect, no childhood is perfect and there are different ways of having a good family. I think @AtIusvue was talking abut the perception.

Similar! My best school friend was one of four absolutely beautiful English Rose sisters who lived in a gorgeous house by a river. They all had ponies and were clever as well as pretty. They were like a family from a story book!

i later learned that things had turned out sadly for the family. The father had suffered from alcoholism and the parents’ marriage had been unhappy. All except my friend had had broken marriages, were estranged from each other and only my friend attended her mother’s funeral. Things aren’t always as perfect as they seem to a child!

Who scrubbed the Oprah interview, and why?

It was produced by Oprahs company Harpo , so I'm guessing she did.