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Lunde · 22/06/2025 22:53

TheAutumnCrow · 22/06/2025 21:53

As an honorary Brit now here in the UK, I think the words of Elizabeth Bennet to the ghastly Lady Catherine describe how I feel about Harry & Meghan and their grubby, malicious allegations against the UK and its institutions.

You have insulted me in every possible method.

And I’m a mild-mannered republican.

I’ll give the Heads of State a pass if they’re doing a decent job of representing the UK and Commonwealth, but I do not want the apparatus of the Head(s) of State to be a bloody circus or a Ship of Fools.

I thought you were going to say "are the shades of Pemberley Buckingham Palace to be thus polluted" 😂

KatherineParr · 22/06/2025 23:05

There was also a condition that if Archewell got sued as a result of the material you submitted (without payment) then you were responsible for paying Archewell's legal fees and damages

This is just not ethical.

RandyRedHumpback · 22/06/2025 23:14

Tom Bower is rumoured to be writing a follow up the Revenge, which is why he was at Invictus earlier this year. I do hope he is looking into all the dubious Sussex commercial, and so-called charitable, vehicles.

IdaGlossop · 22/06/2025 23:14

KatherineParr · 22/06/2025 23:05

There was also a condition that if Archewell got sued as a result of the material you submitted (without payment) then you were responsible for paying Archewell's legal fees and damages

This is just not ethical.

So much for 'Show up, do good', the Archewell motto.

StaySpicy · 22/06/2025 23:21

Lunde · 22/06/2025 22:47

Gosh yes I remember when Archewell first launched they were mining for people to submit material such as creative stories and real life stuff about people's lives/struggles via the Archewell website. I presumed they were going to be used as content for future Netflix productions.

There were also a whole load of one-sided T&Cs

  • the submitted material would become property of Archewell and you would not be entitled to any credit, consideration, notice or payments of any kind.
  • you were granting Archewell to use the material any way their liked - royalty free
  • If you sent biographical/photo information you were also granting them the right to use your name/biography/images royalty free forever
  • You granted Archewell the right to edit, revise, abridge, crop, combine, condense the material as it deems appropriate or necessary.
  • There was also a condition that if Archewell got sued as a result of the material you submitted (without payment) then you were responsible for paying Archewell's legal fees and damages

It's not really surprising that their grift to get free material for Netflix shows seems to have floundered.

This is just unbelievable.

No payment, no credit, no control. Okay, fine. But then to be liable?!

IdaGlossop · 22/06/2025 23:39

StaySpicy · 22/06/2025 23:21

This is just unbelievable.

No payment, no credit, no control. Okay, fine. But then to be liable?!

Terms and conditions inspired by tech giants like Google, who are merciless.

ThePoshUns · 23/06/2025 07:48

RandyRedHumpback · 22/06/2025 23:14

Tom Bower is rumoured to be writing a follow up the Revenge, which is why he was at Invictus earlier this year. I do hope he is looking into all the dubious Sussex commercial, and so-called charitable, vehicles.

I hope so, Revenge was so well written, and remains unchallenged

Mylovelygreendress · 23/06/2025 08:29

I was disgusted the way the Sussex fan confronted Tom Bower ( an elderly man) at Invictus .

CoffeeCantata · 23/06/2025 08:34

KateDelRick · 22/06/2025 20:40

So....he did talk about their health while estranged from them.

Some H & M supporters on here have said 'So what's wrong with (various things) that they've said?', not getting that sometimes it's not WHAT they've said, it's that they've said it publicly. It might be fine and understandable for Harry to say 'I don't know how long my father has left' to a friend, but not in a Big Deal interview for the world to hear.

But everything they do is performative. I think Meghan's remark about how the formality on the outside also applies on the inside betrays her fundamental approach to life. If the cameras aren't there, or if people aren't watching you, then who gives a damn? Everything she does is a performance and fake as hell, and as far as she's concerened - that's normal. I think her Hollywood TV-film-set upbringing has engendered this and I genuinely think she doesn't get authenticity at all. She would make a fascinating psychological case study!!

KateDelRick · 23/06/2025 08:38

You're right, @CoffeeCantata . It's like when she spoke of her post partum pre eclampsia. That she suffered and "the world didn't know". Why should "the world" know about all her medical woes? We don't know medical details of Royals or other celebrities bar that which has a direct impact on work.
Meghan is very performance driven.

NewAgeNewMe · 23/06/2025 08:42

Funny isn’t it that the Sussexes only ever talk about reconciliation with the RF and never with the Markle family. Wonder why that is? 😁

If I was William I’d not let them near my family. However I’d love to watch the volte face from the Sussex fans as how it would be spun.

KateDelRick · 23/06/2025 08:44

Interesting, @NewAgeNewMe ! I wonder why that is 🤔?!

Thinlyveiled · 23/06/2025 08:51

NewAgeNewMe · 23/06/2025 08:42

Funny isn’t it that the Sussexes only ever talk about reconciliation with the RF and never with the Markle family. Wonder why that is? 😁

If I was William I’d not let them near my family. However I’d love to watch the volte face from the Sussex fans as how it would be spun.

Also the post about Harry for Father’s Day about a ‘father’s love. ‘What about the love Thomas gave to Meghan all her life?Apparently that counts for nothing.

KateDelRick · 23/06/2025 08:59

Thinlyveiled · 23/06/2025 08:51

Also the post about Harry for Father’s Day about a ‘father’s love. ‘What about the love Thomas gave to Meghan all her life?Apparently that counts for nothing.

Edited

No, because he's not rich, powerful or influential enough to be an asset.
She was fulsome with love and praise for him on The Tig. How times have changed.

Thinlyveiled · 23/06/2025 09:01

KateDelRick · 23/06/2025 08:59

No, because he's not rich, powerful or influential enough to be an asset.
She was fulsome with love and praise for him on The Tig. How times have changed.

Agree . It’s always all about the money with her.

NewAgeNewMe · 23/06/2025 09:03

Or what people can do for her.

CoffeeCantata · 23/06/2025 09:18

KateDelRick · 23/06/2025 08:38

You're right, @CoffeeCantata . It's like when she spoke of her post partum pre eclampsia. That she suffered and "the world didn't know". Why should "the world" know about all her medical woes? We don't know medical details of Royals or other celebrities bar that which has a direct impact on work.
Meghan is very performance driven.

Wow - I hadn't heard that. We rightly get our knuckles rapped for amateur diagnoses on here, but that is a textbook narcissistic trait - having a vastly inflates sense of your own importance. It's the whole concept behind With Love, Meghan (or whatever her kitchen antics are called). She has no expertise or real, deep interest in food - it's all performative, showy stuff.

I used to arrange fruit in a rainbow for my kids and make funny faces on open sandwiches for them. Also I made landscapes (mashed potato hills and broccoli trees, gravy rivers etc) to encourage them to eat. Can I have a TV show, please? Doesn't every parent do these daft things? She can't possibly think she's being original....can she?

Ooh - I've just realised that I must have been elevating my children's meals and I never even knowing it! 😉

smilesy · 23/06/2025 09:19

KateDelRick · 23/06/2025 08:59

No, because he's not rich, powerful or influential enough to be an asset.
She was fulsome with love and praise for him on The Tig. How times have changed.

I think what people often overlook is that Meghan is estranged from her family not because she is different from them, but because she is the same. I agree that they seem to be a self centred and vindictive bunch and that her half siblings and father have behaved badly towards her, but she has done the same. I don’t think for one minute that she cut off her father because of something he had or hadn’t done. She did it because he no longer fitted her image or was useful to her. I’m not saying that TM has been a model father or that he hadn’t behaved badly toward Meghan. He may well
have done . But I do get the distinct impression that, even if he was the most wonderful father in the world, she would have discarded him anyway if he didn’t conform to her new reality 🤷‍♀️

typo

NormalAuntFanny · 23/06/2025 11:33

MrsFinkelstein · 22/06/2025 14:54

But the allegation about the private letters being exchanged remained in all versions. The one thing we could be sure of then was that the person who took it to the Telegraph was not committing any breach of confidence in doing so (that’s the first thing the lawyers would have pounced on - so it wasn’t a staff member who stole a copy of the letter for example). If someone had leaked the contents of private correspondence without permission, the story would have been taken down.

Can someone explain in regards to the above - how Meghan won against the Daily Mail for publishing excerpts of the letter she sent to her father? Her father gave the DM the excerpts - is it not the case that once you wrote and sent correspondence to someone it's then their property to do with what they want? I think I'm having a moment because I can't understand how that works legally?

I think she won, from the Bower book, because she lied about the letter being private and lied about the friends who leaked it.

Mylovelygreendress · 23/06/2025 12:17

I wonder the friends were and if they still friends ?

NormalAuntFanny · 23/06/2025 12:30

Mylovelygreendress · 23/06/2025 12:17

I wonder the friends were and if they still friends ?

It's all in the book, I did really enjoy reading it even though it's a pure hatchet job. It's like the one about Charles, compulsive but awful.

I think some of them were suits era and some from LA. I think there probably has been a parting of the ways since - no spoilers there...

Vespanest · 23/06/2025 12:34

Back to as ever, the more I think about it this is probably the best approach for Meghan. She know exactly how many products she needs to sell to make a profit and she maintains the hype. Alternating the products or spacing the drops ensures her fans get as excited over jam as a teenager getting excited at getting a Sabrina Carpenter ticket. This is the only way, no one is going to rush to buy jam that's readily available and there's no validation of screen grabbing an invoice to prove that you're the best fan. Meghans happy selling with the FOMO and her fans are happy to buy. It's not going to directly lead to a billion dollar business but it has roots. I'm guessing the wine will be limited with a high market price for the quality. But her fans are saving their pennies because they love her.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 23/06/2025 12:48

Lunde · 22/06/2025 22:47

Gosh yes I remember when Archewell first launched they were mining for people to submit material such as creative stories and real life stuff about people's lives/struggles via the Archewell website. I presumed they were going to be used as content for future Netflix productions.

There were also a whole load of one-sided T&Cs

  • the submitted material would become property of Archewell and you would not be entitled to any credit, consideration, notice or payments of any kind.
  • you were granting Archewell to use the material any way their liked - royalty free
  • If you sent biographical/photo information you were also granting them the right to use your name/biography/images royalty free forever
  • You granted Archewell the right to edit, revise, abridge, crop, combine, condense the material as it deems appropriate or necessary.
  • There was also a condition that if Archewell got sued as a result of the material you submitted (without payment) then you were responsible for paying Archewell's legal fees and damages

It's not really surprising that their grift to get free material for Netflix shows seems to have floundered.

To be fair to them, I think this is cock up rather than conspiracy.

When working for a start-up, I quickly learned to fight shy of the boilerplate legal texts you could buy for a small fee. Because they were full of over-reaching crap like this, designed to "protect" your business. Much like the small companies I worked for when young that had employee contracts 200 pages long prescribing behaviour in international travel etc - for a small local domestic installations firm - because they didn't know how to put together one that was correct and appropriate.

I suspect they thought that it all sounded legalesey and correct.

Which isn't a big point in their favour.

Lunde · 23/06/2025 13:07

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 23/06/2025 12:48

To be fair to them, I think this is cock up rather than conspiracy.

When working for a start-up, I quickly learned to fight shy of the boilerplate legal texts you could buy for a small fee. Because they were full of over-reaching crap like this, designed to "protect" your business. Much like the small companies I worked for when young that had employee contracts 200 pages long prescribing behaviour in international travel etc - for a small local domestic installations firm - because they didn't know how to put together one that was correct and appropriate.

I suspect they thought that it all sounded legalesey and correct.

Which isn't a big point in their favour.

I'm pretty sure that H&M's legal work is done by her entertainment lawyer she has had since her acting days.

Interestingly the same lawyer's office is also the registered address of Doria's home care company which also appears to be a data mining operation

IcedPurple · 23/06/2025 13:10

Vespanest · 23/06/2025 12:34

Back to as ever, the more I think about it this is probably the best approach for Meghan. She know exactly how many products she needs to sell to make a profit and she maintains the hype. Alternating the products or spacing the drops ensures her fans get as excited over jam as a teenager getting excited at getting a Sabrina Carpenter ticket. This is the only way, no one is going to rush to buy jam that's readily available and there's no validation of screen grabbing an invoice to prove that you're the best fan. Meghans happy selling with the FOMO and her fans are happy to buy. It's not going to directly lead to a billion dollar business but it has roots. I'm guessing the wine will be limited with a high market price for the quality. But her fans are saving their pennies because they love her.

Given the costs involved in starting up any sort of business, I very much doubt she is making a profit from selling a few boxes of pancake mix or flower sprinkles once every few months. Most new businesses take years to make a profit, even when maintaining consistent high sales volumes.

This seems to me more like a vanity project than a business in any real sense of the word.

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