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Wine, apricot spread and honey. I think we've had all the suggestions for names already ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14832085/amp/Meghan-Markle-new-products-rose-wine-apricot-spread.html

I cannot see them being invited to family parties - they have blown up any trust that ever existed. Every personal relationship is just content for the next Netflix series or book deal to H&M.

I cannot see Meghan really ever being welcomed again - Harry might possibly be allowed to participate as a distant part of the RF to formal events but not personal ones. Or he might be invited for a quiet week in Scotland to stay with KC and QC However the stress on RF members must be considerable knowing that anything you said would be briefed to People or the DM.

The C-suite turnover at Invictus presents a communist party's worth of red flags to any auditor, and I would wager something is up in the finances. Unlike Sentebale which is a small charity in one small and far-away market, a scandal at Invictus would cause international problems as veterans from multiple countries compete. In the event Invictus has a scandal around cash and veterans, there is no way H can remain as Patron.

Given H's track record and what we know if his behavior at Sentebale from Dr. Chandauka (misusing private charity resources for personal gain), it seems unlikely to me that Invictus books are spic and span.

In the wake of a financial scandal, there is nothing the SS can say/do that won't be dismissed as part of the sewage that is social media trolling. The SS can't move the dial of public opinion any more in either the UK market (relevant to the RF) or the US market (relevant to H&M).

It is all firmly baked into current polling with gradual attrition of H&M's support as young idealists at Megxit grow older, enter into long-term relationships and get first-hand experience of the minefield that is in-law relations.

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It is not that Charles and William have to be careful what they say in front of Harry it's that being in the same room as Harry gives credence to anything Harry decides to say in the future. It is also a safety net for the royal family as they can't be accused of briefing what they don't know. Although in Harry's head Charles has far reaching powers, so I'm sure he believe the secret service are bugging his Montecito home

Oh my god, can you imagine?! Actually would you want his miserable face and whining voice at any party?

I agree @NormaMajors1992coat . I honestly can’t imagine how anyone can trust these two. Even if they were checked for hidden cameras/recorders the likelihood of ending up on social media or in another explosive interview is too likely. It’s clear that they’ll use anything for monetary reward or publicity.

I have had a similar experience to you. I was very upset at first but then I just got used to it and didn’t really miss having them in my life. Also, as the years pass, your life gets filled up with other things.

I truly wouldn't put it past him thinking that. He would do well to look properly at the context of what happened to Diana and the fact much of her paranoia, at least towards the end, was down to absolute lies that she'd been fed by a BBC employee, not actual truth.

What happened in that instance was scandalous, dreadful, but I don't think it is Harry's situation at all. I doubt he would see that though.

I doubt it very much. Especially since H was so nasty about her in Spare.

I've lost contact with a difficult sibling and this is exactly how it is. My sibling,once as close as a twin, is now a stranger. The increasingly rare occasions we cross paths I feel indifference.

anger is an emotional response and indifference is an emotional resolution. Copied from the psychological resource that is twitter.

"But those closest to William have noticed a marked, recent shift. Where he once raged at his brother’s outbursts — after the publication of Spare, a friend told me though he was determined not to publicly respond even though “inside he’s burning” — the anger has subsided to indifference."

I should think Harry will have been a very long way down William's list of priorities this last year and a half, if he has spared a thought for him at all. His wife, his children and his father will have been occupying most of his thoughts.

It is not that Charles and William have to be careful what they say in front of Harry it's that being in the same room as Harry gives credence to anything Harry decides to say in the future.

@Vespanest I think this is really important - simply being in Harry's company opens up the possibility of interesting headlines; and I think it was @IdaGlossop who pointed out Harry's unpredictability. So far it has included not only personal insults, which they may be ready to forgive, but also rants containing allegations of unconstitutional behaviour.

I genuinely do hope they can find a way forward but suspect it may take a number of years - and perhaps with Harry on the fringes of the family for a while and seen to behave appropriately?

As ever is a front for data mining.

Always worth reminding ourselves of the Archewell T&C's which state that content uploaded to the site becomes the property of Archewell to be used as it pleases in perpetuity.

Anyone submitting anything to a Sussex website should be wary.

The stress Harry has caused William must have been enormous, coupled with the anguish of Kate’s illness and that of his father. He’s had it from all quarters. It must have been incredibly hard. In the end I guess the bigger picture was more important. His wife and his father. Harry just can’t be allowed to take up more head space. I don’t think either Harry or M have said a word about Kate’s illness, and very little about Charles really. They are so self absorbed it’s truly astounding. Even when the Queen died it was all about them and their egos and need for things to be as they wished to make themselves appear as important as possible. They really seem to have no shred of empathy or compassion in their natures.

@Thinlyveiled To be fair, H & M would have been criticised for talking about Charles and Kate's health whilst estranged from them.

And having said that, Harry has managed to leak that he and M sent a private message to Kate after her illness was revealed; they also made a short public statement wishing her something like health and happiness.

With Charles, he did his 'mercy dash' across the Atlantic, saw Charles for 45 minutes (max), spoke to the media about the visit while on a trip to Canada I think, and has recently said he doesn't know how long Charles has...

I think that's quite enough from him really.

So....he did talk about their health while estranged from them.

Yes, and were criticised for it. If they'd talked even more, they'd have been criticised for it even more!

Hardly surprising. They spent years monetising the RF's privacy in the most egregious way

H and M ‘s public message referred to Kate even though she has made it clear she wants to be called Catherine .
Also , would it have killed them to use her title given how insistent they are on their own titles being used ?

Yes, that was a bit snide.

I don't think the Duchess of Windsor gave a f@ck, but her husband did.

Read HAL for SAL

As an honorary Brit now here in the UK, I think the words of Elizabeth Bennet to the ghastly Lady Catherine describe how I feel about Harry & Meghan and their grubby, malicious allegations against the UK and its institutions.

You have insulted me in every possible method.

And I’m a mild-mannered republican.

I’ll give the Heads of State a pass if they’re doing a decent job of representing the UK and Commonwealth, but I do not want the apparatus of the Head(s) of State to be a bloody circus or a Ship of Fools.

Gosh yes I remember when Archewell first launched they were mining for people to submit material such as creative stories and real life stuff about people's lives/struggles via the Archewell website. I presumed they were going to be used as content for future Netflix productions.

There were also a whole load of one-sided T&Cs

• the submitted material would become property of Archewell and you would not be entitled to any credit, consideration, notice or payments of any kind.
• you were granting Archewell to use the material any way their liked - royalty free
• If you sent biographical/photo information you were also granting them the right to use your name/biography/images royalty free forever
• You granted Archewell the right to edit, revise, abridge, crop, combine, condense the material as it deems appropriate or necessary.
• There was also a condition that if Archewell got sued as a result of the material you submitted (without payment) then you were responsible for paying Archewell's legal fees and damages

It's not really surprising that their grift to get free material for Netflix shows seems to have floundered.