Harry knocking on random doors in London

[PrettyFlyforaMaiTai]

What a strange story! I’ve seen it being reported that Harry was wandering around a road in London, knocking on (at least 3) doors whilst looking for a friend 🤔🤣

How would you not know which house your friend lived at?

www.thesun.co.uk/news/34882882/prince-harry-wrong-door-camera/

But we can’t do that if we don’t know when he is coming or what he is going to be doing. Special Protection officers don’t grow on trees. Not are they parked in neutral waiting for Harry to appear. You seem to be having trouble understanding this point 🤷‍♀️

Yes I am probably stupid regarding this. Can you explain what 'case by case' would mean then? So if attending a royal thing yes he'd get a met officer or be covered by the protection in place for the rest of the rf but private visits to any remaining friends he has then he wouldn't unless someone has told the met there is a new and imminent threat? <as if the new and imminent threats tell mi5 in advance>.

It may well be @TheAutumnCrow . All I know is that the messages we get from Meghan are joyful (and not being distracted from her contentment by her critics); and the ones we get from Harry are disappointed about certain things relating to the UK, but not, in any way, suicidal. Anyone wishing that on either of them, when they clearly have a lovely life in California they are enjoying, should not count themself as an ally of the pair.

Please will someone else explain!!
I really do have an horrendous stomach ache!!!

Don't apologise. However, you are mistaken. Harry gets taxpayer funded security whenever he comes to the UK. This is a bespoke service, dependent on intelligence and the current threat level.
Harry's court case was about him wanting high level armed security whenever and wherever. That is now only available to KC and the PoW.
He does not want to give notice, instead expects officers to be on call.
This was judged to be unreasonable. The judge ruling said that Harry's "grievance" was not reasonable grounds for increasing his security.

On it, and go and rest that stomach!

Sorry @jeffgoldblum

Well I’m sure you could have an educated guess as to what “case by case” means 🙄. Essentially, Harry lets RAVEC know he is coming over to go to, say, a charity event here. They look at the threat level and decide what, if any, security to provide. In all probability it would be something as they really don’t want anything bad to happen to him him, contrary to what some would have us believe. They will not, however, be able to provide him with security if he just randomly pops up to go ringing doorbells in the search for elusive amigos. They do not have the flexibility or the staff to do that on a practical level, and as it is a social visit, why should they? And why should we pay for his jollies? They don’t provide on tap security for many of the other senior Royals

The "new and imminent threats" do not inform MI5. You are correct. This is why the Met, MI5 and the Home Office have security monitoring and were recently able to foil an attempt by Iranian extremists, that you probably read about.
They ask for Harry to give notice, then they assess his risk level and provide - free to him- an appropriate level of security.

Ok gor it. He doesn't want to give notice and expects it oncall. Message received and understood thankyou <runs before Jeff comes back>.

Thanks 🙏

Wasn't caused by you , don’t worry! 🤣

The judge did say that but that wasn't at the heart f the ruling. The case was about process. Harry said he had been treated unfairly by RAVEC. The Home Office disagreed. The Court of Appeal found in favour of the Home Office.

Spot on!
So he , Meghan and the children arrived for the Platinum jubilee. Special protection agents met them at a VIP suite at Heathrow. They were taken by limousine to Westminster Abbey, and also to where they were staying at Frogmore Cottage. Then back to Heathrow at the end.
Now there are royals who get no taxpayers' funded security at all, eg the Tindalls. They go to such events in a minibus. Harry and Meghan refused to get in the minibus, so a special limousine was put on for them.

My old granny would occasionally let her halo slip and in exasperation say things like, oh see him/her they gee me the shits.

Perhaps a few posts from now your horrendous tummy ache will be a thing of the past if there are any more posts the like of what we’ve seen from this lot today.

Oh and that reminds me of something else my granny would say - yeh cannae educate mince so there’s nae point in trehin.

Wise words!

I think more than one poster has told you precisely that several times already 😆😆

I am glad those posters have disappeared, they were relentless in their bullying and harassment of anyone who said anything innocuous about Meghan. It was a tactic they used to have any online negativity about Meghan deleted. It worked for a while.

It is also worth noting, Gloria, that H&M stayed at Frogmore Cottage, for which KC pays the security bill. He funds it for the whole Windsor estate
Prince Andrew gets no taxpayers' funded security whatsoever, but he does live on the Windsor estate. So when the Harry fans try to bleat that KC pays for security for Andrew, it's not quite the case!

Case by case I imagine goes something like this:

1. Private visit to family in a royal palace: security already provided to the palace, Harry encompassed within existing protection provided to whoever he is visiting. No separate security needed.
2. Public visit including a public facing/open event: security provided depending on the current risk to Harry as per intelligence. Eg, are there any current/recent threats that are known. Takes account of the need to protect both the public and the principal. Takes account of the venue and ability for public to enter (eg closed/ticketed members only stadium with existing security provision v London hotel with no in-house security and tourists present).
3. Charity visit in a closed venue. No uninvited public, just known charity board/employees. Entrance and exist via vehicle via closed access (no public can gather). No intelligence of current threat. Low risk. Armed police not necessary, but available via a call in an emergency.
4. Private visit to a friend, no publicity involved in visit. Low risk threat regarding friend and their neighborhood; no current intelligence indicating a heightened threat. Armed security not deemed necessary, but phone number provided in case of a perceived threat.
5. Current threat issued via social media by known terrorist group naming Harry. Intelligence received of operatives in London. Armed police provided to Harry regardless of purpose of visit.

Etc, etc.

RAVEC will receive continuing intelligence. The threat risk will change all the time. Do you ever do risk assessments? It's a bit like a dynamic risk assessment where you may change the plan up to the last minute and even during the activity. But on a much bigger, more intricate, more sophisticated scale. And it is absolutely not in RAVEC's interests to put Harry at any sort of risk!

🤣 wise words!!! But unfortunately amongst other delights I do suffer from ibs ! Surprise stomach aches are not unfamiliar! 🤣

Not all of them disappeared!

The Royal Lodge, where Andrew lives, is just outside the Windsor security cordon. That's why KCIII is pushing for Andrew to move to Frogmore Cottage, which is inside the cordon.

Thank you, @Livingbeyondyourmemes - really great summary.

It's also worth noting, @Gloriia that the Sultan of Brunei was happy to get in the minibus at KC and Camilla's wedding blessing, so it was ok for him, but not Harry and Meghan at the Jubilee!

That was in the article, wasn’t it? I hope I didn’t make it up!