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Sentebale #5

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glitterturd · 03/04/2025 23:41

As I finished the last one.

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 05/04/2025 22:49

Uricon2 · 05/04/2025 20:08

I really do get the point about Harry and William being Princes and the expectations, but I don't think they should have been even given the option of walking in that procession. They were 12 and 15, children, and I think the eye of history as well as everyone at the time would have understood why they didn't.

Thought it was horrendous at the time, still do.

It was horrendous but I do think they would have regretted it later if they hadn't done it?

On a massively smaller scale, obviously, my DCs then aged 9 and 7 attended their grandad's and grandma's funeral (my parents) in the space of five months. They wanted to be there. They were angry that I didn't share that my mother's illness was terminal for a bit, but they were so young I wanted to spare them that. Youngest was just 2/3 so out of the equation altogether.

APATEKPHILLIPEWATCH · 05/04/2025 23:10

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 05/04/2025 22:45

I think it was Prince Philip who made the point to them? He had experience of losing his sister and her family when he was quite young too.

Yes that was it!

BigAnne · 05/04/2025 23:21

notimagain · 05/04/2025 19:50

Just as a general observation from my time as a flying instructor in the Forces and that’s there is not automatically or necessarily any overlap between the personal attributes needed to be a pilot of an attack helicopter/fast jet, a high achieving scholar or a successful business person, but being genuinely “thick” would rule you out of all of those occupations.

For info sadly many graduates fail flying training (classroom skills only get you so far), some business people fail training, even worse a few pass and then kill themselves because they let ego get in the way of sensible decision making…

According to all credible sources I’ve seen and heard from Harry passed wings and managed to hold down two roles on the Apache (BTW a co-pilot in any aircraft is a genuine qualified pilot, not some form of lower ranking assistant) so I’m not convinced he is quite as “think” or “stupid” as some try to paint him, or at least wasn’t when he was serving.

OTOH I get the impression it is possible he lacks motivation and is generally aimless unless kicked by NCOs, Senior Officers or men in grey suits.

As for the circumstances of his leaving HM Forces… he’d followed a fairly normal career path by doing his specialist junior officer operational tours in his twenties. The usual career pattern for those that want to stay on in HM Forces as they age is to move into more of a management role, and yes, that might mean exams….if you don’t fancy that then often the only other option is to leave.

As a result of the above over the decades many many junior officers have opted to leave the forces in their early thirties and transition to some role in civilian life.

The vast majority of those that do leave HM Forces don’t belly ache about it, they usually make the transition to civilian life successfully despite not having a second career lined up for them by Pa and/or without having their hands held by men in grey suits…OTOH despite having such assistance Harry doesn’t seem to have managed it. Why?

To be honest I look at Harry and I don’t see someone who is obviously thick or dim, but I do sense I’m seeing someone who is (?still) aimless, lacks motivation and possibly has a massive sense of entitlement on top.

Plus he's a lazy bastard.

Lunde · 05/04/2025 23:30

My2cents1975 · 05/04/2025 21:16

Prince Philip 'told Tony Blair’s team to f* off’ over Diana’s funeral

IMHO, very few people acquitted themselves well at all around Diana's death and funeral.

The media's goal was to sell papers. One minute Diana was being torn to shreds and the next moment dead Diana was a veritable Saint.

Sadly, for team Republican, the elected lot did let the side down. Tony Blair certainly loved optics and having sad children trailing behind the coffin was an indelible moment. Various aides have spoken about their experiences around this time and several have stated that there was a general disregard of the family aspect of the bereavement.

The Queen was correct to try and shield W & H and if she had been an absolute monarch I expect she would have kept them away. As for PP, having had the sad experience of participating in his sister's public funeral, I think he did not want his grandchildren to endure a lifetime regret of not walking. As tough as it was, it seems both men appreciate the fact that they paid their mother their last respects. H's vitriol is reserved for the wailing strangers who were performatively mourning, and I can sympathize with his point of view which is essentially "It was my mom, so why are you expecting me to comfort you."

I think the optics of the article photo explains a lot of why Harry has been babied for his entire adult life.

William had just turned 15 - he was exceptionally tall for his age and taller than his father and grandfather.

Harry was about to turn 13 (a week or so after the photo) but was much smaller and appeared much younger.

Somehow William was always considered "much older" and got lumped into being considered "one of the adults" whereas Harry was "the little boy" who everyone, including William, needed to take care of. There was only 2 years between them but the way they were treated was worlds' apart.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 05/04/2025 23:41

Uricon2 · 04/04/2025 16:05

I seem to remember one particularly mindblowing post on (I think) the day Kate made her announcement, along the lines of people should be able to forgive themselves and not feel too bad if they'd said nasty things about her and William.

ETA not saying it's that poster, can't remember who it was but the content stayed with me!

Edited

Still here and active.

Ohpleeeease · 06/04/2025 07:32

My2cents1975 · 05/04/2025 21:43

I do agree with you on a lot of what you say @IdaGlossop but IMHO, a competent defense attorney can find lots of wiggle room.

For example, in her interview Sophie Chandauka says that there was a gap between what the Board said to her and what was written in the Board minutes.

As the writers of Yes Prime Minister have brilliantly summarized, the minutes carry the greater legal weight when there is a dispute, and it seems that the minutes are not unfavorable to the Patron.

As to fundraising, SC admits that H found the new polo venue through his contacts. H can point to his blue-chip network (Pa is King) and his rarefied links to the UHNW world and point out that M brought an A list sports star in Serena Williams and is connected to Oprah, Gwyneth Paltrow, Tyler Perry and other high net worth potential donors, so should have been accommodated and protected, for the betterment of the charity especially with a view to shifting funding to the US.

Please note, I am NOT agreeing with any of this.

I am just pointing out that IMHO, the case has a way to go to pull down the Trustees, who will be pulling all the levers they can to get off the hook, before the CC gets to H. Moreover, I suspect that despite glibly sharing his fantasies of killing "Pa" in his memoir, H will lose no time in calling King "Pa"' and loudly shrieking "HELP!"

I agree with this. The CC’s investigation will be evidence based. Has to be. The minutes will not support Dr C’s allegations especially if they have been formally agreed by the trustees.

There’s a lot of expectation on what the CC will do. I don’t think they will get involved in the dispute unless it touches on governance.
In fact, the ex trustees have somewhat cooked their goose by flouncing, because although they’ll be accountable for past actions they won’t have any role going forward unless reappointed.

I suppose the CC might consider that the outgoing trustees’ resignations were invalid at the point where it left the charity inquorate and refuse to accept them. In which case, depending on whether they outnumber the new trustees, the outgoing trustees could reset and invite the Founders back. That’s just my guess though.

edited for punctuation and because I always forget to preview!

notimagain · 06/04/2025 07:40

@BigAnne

Plus he's a lazy bastard

I missed that one off my list so I've given you an 'agree' for that - it's certainly a frequent comment in other vaguely informed discussions in other places.

Serenster · 06/04/2025 08:20

There’s a lot of expectation on what the CC will do. I don’t think they will get involved in the dispute unless it touches on governance.

Completely correct. The reasons why the personal relationship between Dr Chandauka and Harry broke down are irrelevant - you don’t have to like someone to work professionally with each other.

On that topic, I’ve been bemused by some of the recent postings by the Sussex Squad members recently. They regard video footage of Dr Chandauka being polite and friendly to Harry at public events after the polo tournament as some kind of “gotcha”. I suppose it says a bit about their own perspectives that they don’t recognise that as a professional, Dr Chandauka would be able to be perfectly polite to Sentabale’s founder and someone who was, self-evidently, a key stakeholder with a great deal of weight to throw around, even if personally she doesn’t like his behaviour. Newsflash: she may not have liked the behaviours of some of her clients when a private practice lawyer or her superiors at her other roles either! But given he senior roles she has held, she obviously has the professionalism to deal with that, as you have to do.

The same goes for the alleged “gotcha” that she sent Meghan a handwritten invitation to the Sentabale polo tournament. I imagine she probably did. As she said, having Meghan attend would be great for the event’s profile. Dr Chandauka’s account was however that Meghan had confirmed she would not be attending, so the event was planned on the basis that she would not be there. Then she turns up on the day, and with Serena Williams as well, which caused some organisational disarray. So sending an invitation in advance is not At all inconsistent with Dr Chandauka’s account of why things didn’t run smoothly on the day.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/04/2025 10:05

APATEKPHILLIPEWATCH · 05/04/2025 19:59

They’re married, it’s her money too

Between the different UK/US jurisdictions and whatever the family's advisers will have put in place to protect "royal money" that's not something I'd want to assume, though I could easily accept that Meghan would believe it to be so

Fortunately for the RF I very much doubt Harry has the least understanding of any of it - it's hard enough for even an average wit - so if it comes to this it'll probably be left to endless negotiations between the lawyers

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 10:16

The Mail on Sunday is at it again, Meghan bashing.<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.04.06-081609/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14575425/Harrys-Sentebale-crisis-started-Meghan-Insiders-believe-never-liked-charity-chief-tell-time-astonishing-unknown-snub-changed-everything.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.04.06-081609/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14575425/Harrys-Sentebale-crisis-started-Meghan-Insiders-believe-never-liked-charity-chief-tell-time-astonishing-unknown-snub-changed-everything.html The story in a nutmeg is that Meghan and her Archewell entourage turned up at the Miami polo match last April. Meghan was greeted warmly by SC, who wanted to introduce her to people. Meghan said a curt 'hi', effectively snubbing her, and swanned off with Serena Williams to the hospitality tent to drink champagne. Archewell staff were dismissive to Sentebale staff so Sentebale staff were unhappy. Meghan has never liked Dr Sophie, apparently. Meghan texted SC asking her to issue a press statement to counter the negative press coverage. SC refused. Harry got involved, supporting Meghan. This is all people were talking about at some gathering in Lesotho last week. All quite predictable and hardly a scoop. Still, It's yet another example of the negative affect Meghan has had on Harry since they met.

Conundrumseverywhere · 06/04/2025 10:20

He just can’t seem to see her rudeness and entitlement.

RanyaJerodung · 06/04/2025 10:21

Conundrumseverywhere · 06/04/2025 10:20

He just can’t seem to see her rudeness and entitlement.

Because he's so similar.

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 10:30

Serenster · 06/04/2025 08:20

There’s a lot of expectation on what the CC will do. I don’t think they will get involved in the dispute unless it touches on governance.

Completely correct. The reasons why the personal relationship between Dr Chandauka and Harry broke down are irrelevant - you don’t have to like someone to work professionally with each other.

On that topic, I’ve been bemused by some of the recent postings by the Sussex Squad members recently. They regard video footage of Dr Chandauka being polite and friendly to Harry at public events after the polo tournament as some kind of “gotcha”. I suppose it says a bit about their own perspectives that they don’t recognise that as a professional, Dr Chandauka would be able to be perfectly polite to Sentabale’s founder and someone who was, self-evidently, a key stakeholder with a great deal of weight to throw around, even if personally she doesn’t like his behaviour. Newsflash: she may not have liked the behaviours of some of her clients when a private practice lawyer or her superiors at her other roles either! But given he senior roles she has held, she obviously has the professionalism to deal with that, as you have to do.

The same goes for the alleged “gotcha” that she sent Meghan a handwritten invitation to the Sentabale polo tournament. I imagine she probably did. As she said, having Meghan attend would be great for the event’s profile. Dr Chandauka’s account was however that Meghan had confirmed she would not be attending, so the event was planned on the basis that she would not be there. Then she turns up on the day, and with Serena Williams as well, which caused some organisational disarray. So sending an invitation in advance is not At all inconsistent with Dr Chandauka’s account of why things didn’t run smoothly on the day.

When I read the Sussex Squad's (presumably) response, I was incredulous at the flawed logic they display. It suggests they have never held the kind of job that requires you to put on a professional face in public.

As for the CC, SC has already cited multiple examples that touch on governance (no action by trustees to address funding gap, trustees staying on the board beyond the recommended two terms, whistleblowing inquiry into bullying etc of SC led to her dismissal so due process not observe, Harry as patron having inappropriate involvement in the way the charity team spend their time) and they've already found enough to start an enquiry.

Mylovelygreendress · 06/04/2025 10:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/04/2025 10:05

Between the different UK/US jurisdictions and whatever the family's advisers will have put in place to protect "royal money" that's not something I'd want to assume, though I could easily accept that Meghan would believe it to be so

Fortunately for the RF I very much doubt Harry has the least understanding of any of it - it's hard enough for even an average wit - so if it comes to this it'll probably be left to endless negotiations between the lawyers

Remember the relatively modest financial settlement Sarah received.

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 10:41

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 10:16

The Mail on Sunday is at it again, Meghan bashing.<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.04.06-081609/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14575425/Harrys-Sentebale-crisis-started-Meghan-Insiders-believe-never-liked-charity-chief-tell-time-astonishing-unknown-snub-changed-everything.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.04.06-081609/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14575425/Harrys-Sentebale-crisis-started-Meghan-Insiders-believe-never-liked-charity-chief-tell-time-astonishing-unknown-snub-changed-everything.html The story in a nutmeg is that Meghan and her Archewell entourage turned up at the Miami polo match last April. Meghan was greeted warmly by SC, who wanted to introduce her to people. Meghan said a curt 'hi', effectively snubbing her, and swanned off with Serena Williams to the hospitality tent to drink champagne. Archewell staff were dismissive to Sentebale staff so Sentebale staff were unhappy. Meghan has never liked Dr Sophie, apparently. Meghan texted SC asking her to issue a press statement to counter the negative press coverage. SC refused. Harry got involved, supporting Meghan. This is all people were talking about at some gathering in Lesotho last week. All quite predictable and hardly a scoop. Still, It's yet another example of the negative affect Meghan has had on Harry since they met.

I saw a report on this event as well where Meghan is on stage when Dr Sophie is there holding hands with Delfina. It looks so childish. Why would you do that on stage ? or at all? 😬

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/04/2025 10:42

Mylovelygreendress · 06/04/2025 10:32

Remember the relatively modest financial settlement Sarah received.

I remember it only too well, Mylovelygreendress, and though she'd certainly hung herself out to dry the family played a bliinder on that one

Pity they can't act as rigorously with Andrew, but then he's been around a lot longer and will know a lot more

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 10:49

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 10:41

I saw a report on this event as well where Meghan is on stage when Dr Sophie is there holding hands with Delfina. It looks so childish. Why would you do that on stage ? or at all? 😬

I think holding hands with other women can be a sisterly thing to do so I would. Not sure why I double-posted the article link!

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 11:05

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 10:49

I think holding hands with other women can be a sisterly thing to do so I would. Not sure why I double-posted the article link!

Really? I can't think of any public situation where this is appropriate. You don't see Trump and Keir Starmer holding hands 😂 remember the furore when Camilla avoided holding hands? It smacks to me of " little woman type " thing. "Ah it's ok , they're women". Margaret Thatcher didn't go about holding hands 😂

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IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 11:13

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 11:05

Really? I can't think of any public situation where this is appropriate. You don't see Trump and Keir Starmer holding hands 😂 remember the furore when Camilla avoided holding hands? It smacks to me of " little woman type " thing. "Ah it's ok , they're women". Margaret Thatcher didn't go about holding hands 😂

But we did see Trump and May holding hands 😄 On hand-holding, perhaps we've hit upon a previously unnoticed issue that divides women into two camps. I thought Camilla should have taken Brigitte Macron's hand when it was offered. I used to live in Italy so perhaps I've been influenced!

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 11:21

@IdaGlossop it all depends on how you want to be publicly perceived. I have lived in countries where it is not appropriate to be familiar in this sense woman to woman or woman to man. Trump is a misogynist so we all know what that was about. I've never been that level important but I have managed to negotiate many public situations where I would have looked like a dick holding hands 😂

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IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 11:26

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 11:21

@IdaGlossop it all depends on how you want to be publicly perceived. I have lived in countries where it is not appropriate to be familiar in this sense woman to woman or woman to man. Trump is a misogynist so we all know what that was about. I've never been that level important but I have managed to negotiate many public situations where I would have looked like a dick holding hands 😂

Believe it or not, I am quite careful about physical contact with people as it goes down badly with me if people touch me when I don't think we have that kind of relationship. I really felt for Theresa May she Trump held her hand. I would have wanted to have soaked in a bath of disinfectant afterwards.

MaggieMistletoe · 06/04/2025 11:29

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 11:13

But we did see Trump and May holding hands 😄 On hand-holding, perhaps we've hit upon a previously unnoticed issue that divides women into two camps. I thought Camilla should have taken Brigitte Macron's hand when it was offered. I used to live in Italy so perhaps I've been influenced!

I thought it was really inappropriate that Brigette offered Camilla her hand. Just different cultures I suppose. I don't hold hands with anyone but my DH and younger children so I would feel quite awkward in Camilla's position. And thats without being Queen! Brigette was not following protocol.

IdaGlossop · 06/04/2025 11:40

MaggieMistletoe · 06/04/2025 11:29

I thought it was really inappropriate that Brigette offered Camilla her hand. Just different cultures I suppose. I don't hold hands with anyone but my DH and younger children so I would feel quite awkward in Camilla's position. And thats without being Queen! Brigette was not following protocol.

Brigitte shouldn't have put Camilla in the position of feeling uncomfortable, true. In the UK, there's been a big change in attitudes to touching in my lifetime. In the 1960s and '70s, when I was a child, there was a lot of formality. By the 1980s, some people had started kissing on the cheek and it was seen as a 'continental' import. Now, with so many cultures living side by side, it's become quite complex. I probably shouldn't be continuing this discussion as it's derailing so I'll bring it back to Meghan, who famously says of herself 'I'm a hugger' and makes clear she thinks the British are stiff and formal.

Lunde · 06/04/2025 11:48

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 11:05

Really? I can't think of any public situation where this is appropriate. You don't see Trump and Keir Starmer holding hands 😂 remember the furore when Camilla avoided holding hands? It smacks to me of " little woman type " thing. "Ah it's ok , they're women". Margaret Thatcher didn't go about holding hands 😂

Didn't Theresa May famously hold hands with Trump (because he doesn't like going down steps) and was much derided for it?

VaddaABeetch · 06/04/2025 12:05

glitterturd · 06/04/2025 10:41

I saw a report on this event as well where Meghan is on stage when Dr Sophie is there holding hands with Delfina. It looks so childish. Why would you do that on stage ? or at all? 😬

It’s a mean girl thing? Look at us, we’re so close. The rest of you plebs wouldn’t understand.

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