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Sentebale #2

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Words · 29/03/2025 12:59

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AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 16:45

I’m certainly not a fan of Meghan or Harry, but I am not convinced this Dr. Chandauka is the full shilling either. She could equally be a very difficult person and retaliating by smearing. We really don’t know who is at fault here.

IAmATorturedPoet · 30/03/2025 16:45

nomas · 30/03/2025 16:28

i don’t get the subtext here. Is Chandauka saying Harry should have stayed in the Royal Family to continue getting donations for Sentebale? It’s a shame if donors stopped donating after Harry moved to the USA, but hardly his fault?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/30/donors-quit-prince-harry-charity-left-uk-sentebale-chair

I don’t think the subtext was that donations dried up because he left the RF, it was how he left the royal family.

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 16:47

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 16:45

I’m certainly not a fan of Meghan or Harry, but I am not convinced this Dr. Chandauka is the full shilling either. She could equally be a very difficult person and retaliating by smearing. We really don’t know who is at fault here.

All evidence points to her being at least 90 percent the full shilling!
harrys percentage unfortunately is less than 15 percent at this point!

Ohpleeeease · 30/03/2025 16:48

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 16:45

I’m certainly not a fan of Meghan or Harry, but I am not convinced this Dr. Chandauka is the full shilling either. She could equally be a very difficult person and retaliating by smearing. We really don’t know who is at fault here.

Not Difficult.
Strong.
Ask Meghan.

CorrectionCentre · 30/03/2025 16:49

Ohpleeeease · 30/03/2025 16:43

Your guess is as good as mine. I think it’s pretty feeble of the trustees not to have the discussion with him in the room if that’s what was needed.

SC challenged the status quo and was threatened with dismissal.
Hardly a culture of openness? Most of the trustees had been there since day 1 so were never likely to challenge anything.

MayaKovskaya · 30/03/2025 16:51

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 16:45

I’m certainly not a fan of Meghan or Harry, but I am not convinced this Dr. Chandauka is the full shilling either. She could equally be a very difficult person and retaliating by smearing. We really don’t know who is at fault here.

Did you watch the interview with Sir Trevor Phillips? Did she appear to be problematic or in any sense "not the full shilling" to you?
I'm sure folks have tried to shut her down. A lot

My2cents1975 · 30/03/2025 16:53

Hwi · 30/03/2025 16:12

Yes, you are right, the word gigolo is outdated and it went out with the popularity of H.James, yet this fortune-hunting behaviour remains prevalent among social alpinists (including wisteria sisters - with only one prize slipping the hook) that married into the BRF. So what Prince Philip was intelligent - do you think there were no intelligent and SOLVENT royal princes in Europe for HM to marry? Her equals, I mean, not penniless refugees (like Prince Philip) who would never forgive her higher status and would forever punish her with affairs? As for the Italian gigolo - I don't even have the right word for him - what do you call a man who abandons his 'partner' and their young child and runs after a royal princess to better his status?

You are right, nobody owns a crystal ball and can predict the future, but surely one of the most basic rules is to marry your equal (intellectually, financially, socially, religiously) to avoid the inevitable thoughts of 'ah, she/he married up/down, for money/status/whatever'. Unequal alliances never end well, even if they are tolerated for decades - why do you think Prince Philip's will will be kept top secret for 100 years to protect the dignity of the Queen (official wording)?

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bird balancing GIF

As ever, bird tennis has arrived with instructions to derail.

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 16:53

MayaKovskaya · 30/03/2025 16:51

Did you watch the interview with Sir Trevor Phillips? Did she appear to be problematic or in any sense "not the full shilling" to you?
I'm sure folks have tried to shut her down. A lot

Very odd posts today!!!
the sex lives of the royal family and now defunct currency!!

myrtleWilson · 30/03/2025 16:54

Ohpleeeease · 30/03/2025 16:43

Your guess is as good as mine. I think it’s pretty feeble of the trustees not to have the discussion with him in the room if that’s what was needed.

Wasn’t that part of her point though - that the governance structure was weak and this was an example of it?

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 16:54

Not sure there’s any real “evidence” though. A lot of he said-she said. Dr. Chandauka‘s leadership and strategies were questioned by some of the Trustees and I get the impression she didn’t like that! So am not buying the attacks on the Sussexes in total. (Even if I think that Markle trying to move people at the award ceremony and Netflix publicity were suspect.)

BemusedAmerican · 30/03/2025 16:54

Plus the whole Archewell paperwork drama. The check gets lost in the mail, so they bring in the governor of California! If I want something to get delivered in a limited time with proof of delivery, I use a service like FEDEX. It gets there the next day and someone signs for it. This way you have proof of delivery so if your check doesn't get cashed, you can prove that it was at least delivered. Even I, a non-multimillionaire, can afford FEDEX from a shipping store.

jeffgoldblum · 30/03/2025 16:55

My2cents1975 · 30/03/2025 16:53

As ever, bird tennis has arrived with instructions to derail.

Off topic ! But my budgie looks just like that!!!
so cute! Can’t ride a tennis ball though.

Weepixie · 30/03/2025 16:55

nomas · 30/03/2025 16:36

Agreed and it’s a definite shame for Sentebale. But not sure Harry can be blamed for it.

I think the point is that Harry had no idea being in the RF was what attracted a lot of the donors in the first place.

Words · 30/03/2025 16:56

That was a good performance from SC.

With one exception. Thé pré briefing of thé press by Harry's side being referred to as an example of 'bullying and harassment at scale' seemed to me a bit silly and detracted from thé rest of her very calm and well articulated argument.

Doubtless she has witnesses and cast iron évidence in support of her very serious allégations about racism etc. Thé governance issues I would imagine are easier tô prove?

There remains murkiness on both sides though.

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EsmaCannonball · 30/03/2025 16:57

Time will tell whether or not Chandauka is a credible witness but, if she is to be believed, my main takeaway from the interview is that Harry is someone who is used to making demands and then having his flunkies find a way to meet them, whereas Chandauka's career means her first thought is of legal compliance. He probably saw her as the person who said no to all his 'great' ideas.

My second takeaway is Harry is exactly the kind of person prepared to destroy something rather than not get his own way. He's always been this way but was reined in by the men in grey suits. Now he has a partner who encourages his self-sabotaging tendencies.

PippistrelleBat · 30/03/2025 16:57

Thedom · 30/03/2025 13:31

I agree it is a sad time for the charity and it has made things difficult for the charity, but the Chair had every right to challenge the Sussex PR machine who have been in overdrive to discredit her.

She made her court application weeks ago and the first anyone knew of it was when Harry announced it to the media.

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I am not sure she does have ‘every right’. As a trustee she has an obligation to act in the best interest of the charity.

MayaKovskaya · 30/03/2025 16:57

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 16:54

Not sure there’s any real “evidence” though. A lot of he said-she said. Dr. Chandauka‘s leadership and strategies were questioned by some of the Trustees and I get the impression she didn’t like that! So am not buying the attacks on the Sussexes in total. (Even if I think that Markle trying to move people at the award ceremony and Netflix publicity were suspect.)

Why do you think she's lying? Did you watch the interview? Or is it that you feel Prince Harry is, somehow, above reproach?

MayaKovskaya · 30/03/2025 16:58

EsmaCannonball · 30/03/2025 16:57

Time will tell whether or not Chandauka is a credible witness but, if she is to be believed, my main takeaway from the interview is that Harry is someone who is used to making demands and then having his flunkies find a way to meet them, whereas Chandauka's career means her first thought is of legal compliance. He probably saw her as the person who said no to all his 'great' ideas.

My second takeaway is Harry is exactly the kind of person prepared to destroy something rather than not get his own way. He's always been this way but was reined in by the men in grey suits. Now he has a partner who encourages his self-sabotaging tendencies.

This ⬆️.
In a nutshell 👏

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 17:00

MayaKovskaya · 30/03/2025 16:51

Did you watch the interview with Sir Trevor Phillips? Did she appear to be problematic or in any sense "not the full shilling" to you?
I'm sure folks have tried to shut her down. A lot

Not the full shilling was the wrong expression. But I don’t think she came across as totally believable either. And it was only her side of the story/. To give Trevor Phillips his due he asked her a few tough questions and I think she batted them away. I don’t think anybody knows the real truth and much as I dislike the sussexes I’m not going to condemn them on the basis of one woman’s words. She could be trying to get a financial pay-off for example, by taking legal action, or have similar motives. We just don’t know the full story and perhaps we never will.

HereIGoAgainOnMyOwn44 · 30/03/2025 17:00

Name changed for this. I've worked with both Sophie Chandauka and Jason Knauf in different capacities. Sophie isn't the easiest character but - in my personal experience only - she is trustworthy. Usually comes out on top in a challenge.
Jason always came across as level headed and calm. Never saw him under pressure though.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/03/2025 17:01

IAmATorturedPoet · 30/03/2025 16:45

I don’t think the subtext was that donations dried up because he left the RF, it was how he left the royal family.

Very likely yes, IAmATorturedPoet - to say nothing of the choices he's made since with Oprah, Spare and all the rest

I get how these may have seemed tantalising as personal money-earners, but quite how he thought they'd appeal to people with money who value discretion is beyond me

Anyway the results are plain to see, and if either blame anyone but themselves for these then they're even more misguided than I took them for

Ohpleeeease · 30/03/2025 17:03

myrtleWilson · 30/03/2025 16:54

Wasn’t that part of her point though - that the governance structure was weak and this was an example of it?

Yes, I don’t think we’re disagreeing!

MayaKovskaya · 30/03/2025 17:04

AsterTurq · 30/03/2025 17:00

Not the full shilling was the wrong expression. But I don’t think she came across as totally believable either. And it was only her side of the story/. To give Trevor Phillips his due he asked her a few tough questions and I think she batted them away. I don’t think anybody knows the real truth and much as I dislike the sussexes I’m not going to condemn them on the basis of one woman’s words. She could be trying to get a financial pay-off for example, by taking legal action, or have similar motives. We just don’t know the full story and perhaps we never will.

Well we will if there is a proper and thorough investigation.
We won't if it's just up to Harry.

BemusedAmerican · 30/03/2025 17:04

She's being attacked on social media by the usual trolls. She's mentioning it rather than keeping silent.

Also, Royal commentator Charlotte someone or other went off last night about Harry's psychic trauma. Lots of other outlets have mentioned Harry's "shock" and trauma. Their PR department has been working overtime. They've also not been mentioning that he hadn't visited in over five years.

However, most of the comments from the public that I've read have been pro-SC.

IdaGlossop · 30/03/2025 17:04

Ohpleeeease · 30/03/2025 16:43

Your guess is as good as mine. I think it’s pretty feeble of the trustees not to have the discussion with him in the room if that’s what was needed.

A charity dramatically losing funding because of its patron, and the trustees not having the difficult conversation with the patron, is a failure of governance. Dr C told Trevor Philips this morning that a dramatic drop in funding after Harry left the Royal family is not covered in board minutes.

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