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The royal family

As Ever #2 Whatever

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PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 19/02/2025 15:54

I noticed the old thread is almost full so thought we could start a new one to carry on the discussion about the rebrand and merching.

Are you an ‘As Ever’ or ‘Whatever’?

link to the old thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5277002-as-ever

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IcedPurple · 23/02/2025 11:07

User14March · 23/02/2025 10:10

@BasiliskStare Alice’s Bio & purpose not all grandiose & unpretentious & very clear despite her being privileged. I also like her stuff :)!

Who is Meghan, authentically? What’s her real passion? I’d listen to a dating blog & how to use what you have to bag a chap & get Goddess like adoration for life! She did ‘The Rules’ on H but what other tips? :) She’s never struggled with dates whereas every 30 something woman in the SE I know does!

Who is Meghan, authentically?

I'm not sure there is an 'authentic' Meghan. I don't think even she knows who she 'really' is. Hence trying on all these different personas.

User14March · 23/02/2025 11:09

@IcedPurple what’s she been doing in therapy? Agree.

User14March · 23/02/2025 11:10

I’d almost suggest a Caroline Stanbury & Sergio approach for MM, she’s transparent.

CornishTeaTime · 23/02/2025 11:15

Im think...
The running of 2 alongside each other -
AE and WLM, are abit like social media ads...run 2 different styles, see which performs best then going forward run with that narrative.

If all else fails, I think the kids will be on 'show'/brought in...this is the only area that's not been fully used, we've seen blurred images, backs of heads etc and it generates interest. People want to see if Lili looks like M or Archie has Harry's features etc. Or even Dorian!

BasiliskStare · 23/02/2025 11:16

@Stickystickysticky - Has anyone else on here successfully unsubscribed - if so might they have the address from the email they were sent.

IcedPurple · 23/02/2025 11:20

This is one of the suggestions I made on how she could salvage her reputation and career. Stay out of the lime light for a few years, do the research, listen to advice, do the ground work and execute the launch to perfection. No having to panic launch because the media got wind of it. No last minute applying for trade marks etc.

What 'career' though?

She had modest success as an actress, but has no interest in returning to that.

Her main claim to fame is marriage into the royal family, but she's left that life behind too. She's also failed to use the past 5 years, and all the lucrative contracts thrown her way, to build up a coherent post royal identity.

I don't think she has the luxury of waiting a few years to relaunch herself. It's probably already too late. Nobody is hanging around waiting for a pushing 50 years old duchess to finally get it together. That's the reality of it.

cheezncrackers · 23/02/2025 11:32

What 'career' though?

On this subject, I was just reading a thread in Quora on Meghan and WME (William Morris Endeavor, the talent agency, which has represented Meghan since April 2023 on a 3-year contract).

It makes quite interesting reading, but the gist of the answers (and who knows whether the people posting know anything or not), is that WME have tried, without success, to find some kind of professional role in film and TV production and/or brand partnerships for MM for almost two years. This is despite them twisting arms to get her tickets to events and meetings. It seems no one wants to work with her.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Meghan-Markle-still-a-client-of-WME-January-24

IcedPurple · 23/02/2025 11:36

cheezncrackers · 23/02/2025 11:32

What 'career' though?

On this subject, I was just reading a thread in Quora on Meghan and WME (William Morris Endeavor, the talent agency, which has represented Meghan since April 2023 on a 3-year contract).

It makes quite interesting reading, but the gist of the answers (and who knows whether the people posting know anything or not), is that WME have tried, without success, to find some kind of professional role in film and TV production and/or brand partnerships for MM for almost two years. This is despite them twisting arms to get her tickets to events and meetings. It seems no one wants to work with her.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Meghan-Markle-still-a-client-of-WME-January-24

Edited

I'm sceptical about these types of posts.

Meghan already has a contract with NF. Why would she need WME to find her production deals?

cheezncrackers · 23/02/2025 11:36

This is also quite amusing. It's MM's bio on the Harry Walker Agency website (they represent high profile people for speaking events):
https://www.harrywalker.com/speakers/meghan-the-duchess-of-sussex

Aloeveraplants · 23/02/2025 11:38

I presume she wrote that drivel? Who shoehorns their children’s middle names into a piece promoting themselves.

IcedPurple · 23/02/2025 11:42

I presume she wrote that drivel? Who shoehorns their children’s middle names into a piece promoting themselves.

It's hilarious.

Former UN Sec Gen Ban Ki Moon has a total of 2 paragraphs in his bio.

Yet someone whose main 'achievement' is marrying an intellectually challenged prince needs that jumbled essay?

FromThePrismOfJammyTodger · 23/02/2025 11:42

Mylovelygreendress · 23/02/2025 10:34

Could somebody please explain - in very simple terms - why she launched ARO when she already had a TM for As Ever .
I am confused .

Not sure, but this is my opinion of what happened based on what I have read and heard since ARO launched last year.

She launched ARO prematurely, because Richard Eden of the DM had contacted her about it (presumably had heard a rumour or seen some filed IP application) and was about to run a story on it. He contacted her "office" for comment and the next thing is she's launching it, completely overshadowing her own husband's appearance at the Diana Awards. She was clearly not ready to launch ARO, but I don't think she can cope with being a step behind a press story, so she did so anyway. And invited in all the ensuing derision, about the name, the silly video, the lack of any products, and all the legal problems surrounding IP. She effectively killed it right there and then, and drew negative comparison with/copying accusations about Charles' Highgrove brand.

ARO was supposed to be selling locally produced goods, ie from the Montecito area. There was a lot of talk about how she could possibly make jam in any large quantities (it takes a lot of strawberries for one pot). I think it was the DM who contacted local Santa Barbara farmers to see if they were supplying MM, and none of them said yes. MM clapped back through the US tabloids when Highgrove jam had its spike in sales, claiming it was not made from their own fruit either, and that they were copying her. Clearly she was being rumbled on the authenticity of her product and was panicking because she simply wasn't ready. Those silly Instagram stories of numbered jam jars/lemons/dog biscuits were all desperate attempts to make it look as if something was in the pipeline.

Originally, she was trying to position herself as a local/organic/ethical producer of high end products made in exclusive quantities, like Flamingo Estate (whom she apparently tried to "collab" with, but who knocked her back). And that's fine if you are, say, a Julianna Moore, with a thriving acting career, and you sell your pots of honey from your own hives on the side at $250 a pot to raise money for charity. But it's not a workable model if you need to make millions.

The other issue is FDA regulations. Home-made comestibles that you can get away with selling small scale at a farmer's market is one thing, but you need FDA approval for food sold commercially on a large scale. The best way to cut out the long process of getting FDA approval is to sell something that already has it.

So, to make money on this enterprise, you need to sell mass produced (ie cheap), ready to go goods that you can, ahem, elevate with your own brand label, and hope people will be fooled buy into the lifestyle you are conveying and buy it to emulate you. IMO, that must be what Netflix told her she needed to do to tie in a profitable product line with the With Love, Meghan series.

ARO wouldn't work for this, because of its tie in with Montecito only products. And she didn't have time, before the series airing, to register yet another TM for "With love, Meghan". So she goes through her back catalogue of IP registrations (of which there are many), and comes up with the nearest thing that ties in with the Netflix title - " As Ever"- both names being correspondence sign offs, (and she does pride herself on her fancy cursive writing/correspondence, so this is her "brand" now).

Not using ARO is an embarrassment, but can use the excuse that no longer using ARO allows her to promote "so many other great products that are not limited to Montecito" (I'm paraphrasing her instagram video), ie, to do a 180 on the original, ethical, high end and authentic concept (like Flamingo State's, like Highgrove), and go for mass market sales of mass produced products, which is what she needs right now to make money. That doesn't mean she won't carry on with the ARO project, just that it will not be tied in with With Love, Meghan.

And when everyone is saying WTF, she claps back again with the "mood board", trying to make the impression that "As Ever" is a longstanding project/idea, not a hastily cobbled together attempt to rescue a clusterfuck.

cheezncrackers · 23/02/2025 11:44

Aloeveraplants · 23/02/2025 11:38

I presume she wrote that drivel? Who shoehorns their children’s middle names into a piece promoting themselves.

And titles! She just HAD to get 'Prince' and 'Princess' in there didn't she?! Anyone else would just say 'She lives in California with her husband and two children', but not MM. She's got to remind everyone, at every turn, that the family who she claims nearly drove her to suicide, also gives out titles that she won't let anyone forget.

Mylovelygreendress · 23/02/2025 11:47

Thank you @FromThePrismOfJammyTodger

I am beginning to understand but it just seems so chaotic !

Mylovelygreendress · 23/02/2025 11:49

cheezncrackers · 23/02/2025 11:36

This is also quite amusing. It's MM's bio on the Harry Walker Agency website (they represent high profile people for speaking events):
https://www.harrywalker.com/speakers/meghan-the-duchess-of-sussex

Speechless .,

BunnyLake · 23/02/2025 11:59

IcedPurple · 23/02/2025 11:07

Who is Meghan, authentically?

I'm not sure there is an 'authentic' Meghan. I don't think even she knows who she 'really' is. Hence trying on all these different personas.

I think she’s just someone who wants to be very famous (probably coveting the title of Most Photographed Woman in the World), she’s wants to feted and adored just for existing, she wants the best seats anywhere and everywhere (for free), she wants to be the woman everyone wants to be seen with.

I think she has thought a lot over the years about what she wants but has never really given any thought as to who she is.

Baital · 23/02/2025 12:07

BunnyLake · 23/02/2025 11:59

I think she’s just someone who wants to be very famous (probably coveting the title of Most Photographed Woman in the World), she’s wants to feted and adored just for existing, she wants the best seats anywhere and everywhere (for free), she wants to be the woman everyone wants to be seen with.

I think she has thought a lot over the years about what she wants but has never really given any thought as to who she is.

Edited

I want that too. I haven't done anything to earn it, but it sounds great. And I'd love to be married to a multi millionaire so I don't have to deal with the everyday crap of earning a living and cleaning the kitchen.

On the other hand, I am very privileged to have a safe and secure home (with kitchen to clean myself), and a job that pays the bills and even has a little bit over for some treats.

I could choose to blame everyone around me for not achieving the former, but find it more constructive to focus on what I do have.

Which brings me to a previous post about their supposed victimhood, which is that it is fundamentally unattractive to complain about a life that has so many privileges and choices.

Uricon2 · 23/02/2025 12:09

That Harry Walker bio, complete with her fashion "credentials" and maximised charity work sounds as if it would better have suited Audrey Hepburn. Difference being that AH had an outstanding film career, her friend Hubert Givenchy designing for her and proper charity involvement including wholehearted work for Unicef at the end of her (too short) life.

I think this is an example of a life evolving organically rather than as @BunnyLake says, "just someone who wants to be very famous".

Baital · 23/02/2025 12:20

That's the problem with wanting fame and popularity, isn't it? Rather than wanting to earn a living doing something you love, and if that brings fame and fortune so much the better.

A friend's child was a very talented tennis player, in the UK top ten for his age. Then others caught up. He has a job teaching tennis, just got married, and is very happy with his life. He loves playing tennis and teaching it. Sure, he would have loved to win Wimbledon, but life didn't go that way. He earns a living doing what he loves. Fame wasn't ever the goal.

I also know a couple of people locally who have made a (slightly precarious) living in performing arts. Short term casting in local theatres, adverts etc. Very happy with their lives, doing what they love while paying the bills, while filling in when necessary with temp jobs. Finding the rewards of the job making up for the worries about long term financial security.

I get the same impression from mega star performing arts professionals. The ones who can live with themselves are the ones who love their job, not the ones pursuing fame.

Words · 23/02/2025 12:25

From the bio, this clunky sentence about her New York Times article on pregnancy loss, complete with unverifiable claim:

The piece detailed a heartbreaking personal loss which spiked the conversation surrounding miscarriage to the highest it had been spoken of in over two decades at the time of publishing.
Not even a terribly sad event like that is immune from being 'elevated'

Plus the usual nonsense word salad. Accomplished writer ? My big toe!

Aloeveraplants · 23/02/2025 12:36

BunnyLake · 23/02/2025 11:59

I think she’s just someone who wants to be very famous (probably coveting the title of Most Photographed Woman in the World), she’s wants to feted and adored just for existing, she wants the best seats anywhere and everywhere (for free), she wants to be the woman everyone wants to be seen with.

I think she has thought a lot over the years about what she wants but has never really given any thought as to who she is.

Edited

I think she has a staggeringly high ego that seems to withstand anything that is thrown at it. Not sure where she got it from or what feeds it, but not sure I can think of anyone else quite as self important and full of shit apart from Trump.

NormaMajors1992coat · 23/02/2025 12:36

Each fresh disaster has me wondering how she keeps going in the face of all the ridicule and humiliation, but that bio helps to explain it. If that's what she really believes, she probably sees herself as someone who is ahead of her time, misunderstood, simply too good for the rest of the world to cope with. Or maybe we are all jealous of her many accomplishments.

I'm surprised anyone has the balls to call The Bench "highly celebrated" though 🤪

Serenster · 23/02/2025 12:38

Mylovelygreendress · 23/02/2025 11:49

Speechless .,

And this is why, when I need to provide a bio for an event (I sometimes appear on panel discussions etc in my industry) I always ask for some recent examples of other participants, so I don’t look like a prize chump when I discover they’ve all gone for “less is more” approach. Or vice versa. 🤣

Baital · 23/02/2025 12:40

It's the belief that style overcomes substance, surely?

If I tell enough people that Baital is a global icon, I will therefore become a global icon. The problem is telling enough people, not doing something to deserve being a global icon

JSMill · 23/02/2025 12:44

I am convinced all M wanted is to be famous. She didn't become an actress because she wanted to tell stories or whatever. It was to be a star and marrying H was another way of achieving that. The problem is there is no substance in that goal.
I work in a C of E school and values are a big part of our ethos. We tell the children the story of two men, one who built his house on sand and the other who built it on rock. You can guess the ending. The point is to tell the children they have to build their lives on solid foundations. M has built her house on sand. I don't how it's all going to turn out in the long run for her.

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