How will the Royal Family end?

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The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation.

People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family.

I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening.

But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall.

The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

Why can’t we elect our head of state like grown up democracies do?

https://www.republic.org.uk/an_elected_head_of_state

It wasn’t very hard to find 🙄

"As the older generation who are generally more wedded to the monarchy die out, the question of the future of the monarchy will become even more pressing, and then potentially more critical voices will come to the fore," said Dr Whitelock.

"I would say by 2030 there will be definite louder clamours for the eradication of the monarchy. I can't say that there won't be a monarchy. I would definitely say that the monarchy - its purpose, what it's about, will be questioned and challenged in a way that it hasn't been before.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/monarchy-could-be-on-its-last-legs-by-2030-once-the-queen-is-not-on-the-throne-a6967066.html

At least he'll never be short of a curtain tie back

Well, it has a list of things you could write on the side of a bus. Not a lot of substance, costings or process though.

Is ir easy or is it not easy to throw off the constitutional monarchy? I am seeing conflicting statements on this thread alone.

That’s how you get the Liz Truss/Boris Johnson/Donald Trumps of the world unfortunately.

I know this is a matter of opinion obviously, but remember when Boris Johnson was hospitalised with Covid because he shook hands with Covid patients? That was the same time the Queen did her “we will meet again” speech and I actually felt more reassured by that speech than by any speech or press conference given by the government. I also trusted that the royal family would obey lockdown rules but knew politicians and wouldn’t, and I was right.

@PrettyFlyforaMaiTai But some members of the Royal family broke lockdown rules.

Not a lot of substance, costings or process though.
So exactly the same as the RF then!

Not all democracies that elect their head of state are “grown up” it would seem. And what about countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway. Often cited as excellent examples of democracies. All constitutional monarchies

What? One historian made one point in 2016. The Queen died and the monarchy is still going. It’s 2025, I don’t hear any clamours for the monarchy to be eradicated just yet 🤣 As my previous posts show, William and Catherine are very popular, even with the liberal left leaning young uns.

@bitteroldseetrouts You are seeing conflicting statements on this thread? That is because we are all individuals with our own views. Not a hive mind.

That's just throwing insults though, Brexit style. Try answering a question.

They are not very popular. They are simply not unpopular. Most do not care.

I’ve never read or heard about that. I would be obliged if you could show me evidence of this.

I find the differing opinions interesting.
it shows how complicated the whole thing is.

One poster saying it's too hard to discuss and the other saying it's easy, just abolish the upper chamber and, voila, is a pretty major conflict of messages. As I say, 40 years of Republic as a movement should have resulted in a solid model for proposal, validation, legislation, transition, dealing with the aftermath for those at the heart of it all and cost. Not something that sounds like a 6th form essay.

This is such a tired argument - America’s presidential system is ENTIRELY different to our system and Johnson and Truss were prime ministers 🙄 and Truss was never elected.

What we DESPERATELY need in this country is decent political education from a young age so our electorate was voting from a position of information and understanding.

🤣

35 and 41% net total favourability isn’t popular? Kier Starmer and Kemi Badenoch would kill for those ratings.

So because something might be a little bit challenging we shouldn’t even try? Fuck me it’s no wonder this country is so in thrall to a lazy, dull family if they don’t even have the imagination to think of alternatives 🙄

Not with a bang but with a whimper.

William and Kate don’t do the work. They won’t step up.

But just as the US’ system is different from ours and so we wouldn’t get a Trump, how can you be assured that another countries government WOULD work for us?

I think Charles is proving to be an excellent king, and he has made some subtle adjustments in tone, while keeping the tradition. William will change things further, to a more Scandinavian-style monarchy. And I think we will have a Sovereign for many years to come.
But the person who said that Philip understood that the existence of a Royal Family is not guaranteed is spot on. He was the grandson of a king, related to nearly all the European monarchies and more royal than his wife Elizabeth, yet he spent most of his young life in exile and, at the time of his engagement, described himself as "homeless". The Greeks really understand how precarious monarchy can be.

That's a big leap. And discourse like yours is off-putting and childish. Republic should try to set out a persuasive model.

I wouldn't call any of them 'very popular'. the latest poll taken in January by IPSOS

Charles is 50%. The Royal family as a whole 49%. That means half of the british public are not ticking the 'favourable' box (if the poll is representative) Kate & William are 62 and 61%, Camilla 35%

Certainly not 'very popular'

I would love to see a poll with 18-30 year olds

It was all over the papers!!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1260440/prince-charles-news-coronavirus-covid-19-duke-duchess-cornwall-camilla-balmoral

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/22/uk/uk-royals-coronavirus-regulations-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/prince-william-kate-middleton-accused-of-breaking-lockdown-rules-2020-12 - Scottish government told them not to come

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1250650/prince-william-news-coronavirus-joke-reaction-kate-william-ireland-tour-coronavirus-fears