Page 28 | How will the Royal Family end?

JoyousGreyOrca · 2025-02-13T15:31:39+00:00

The Royal Family will end. Not yet obviously. But within the next generation. People often assume institutions like this fall slowly and gradually. We see a bit of that already happening with the reduction in "working" Royals, far less favourable poll results than when Queen Elizabeth reigned, and the willingness of the media to be more critical of the Royal Family. I have seen people commenting assuming this means the Royal family will end soon. I think they misunderstand what is happening. But society is changing and the deference that Queen Elizabeth attracted can no longer be taken for granted. Colonies are no longer happy for the Royals to carry out cosplay colonial tours on their soil, and increasingly they will remove the King as their Head of State. But I think when the end comes it will be sudden and unexpected. Similar to the fall of the Soviet Union. A clear weakening of the institution, but then a sudden, and shocking fall. The aftermath will be very messy though as the Royal family try and fight for as much of the states wealth as they can, using the courts if they need to.

dorathexplorer · 15/02/2025 14:13

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 13:27

@jeffgoldblum If the Royal family was abolished, all their mansions and palaces and the Duchy removed, then they would be in the position of Harry and Meghan. At that point they can do what they want. I would not care if Camilla posted tik tok videos of her drinking gin and throwing Vs at the public.

This is about the institution of the Royal family.

That's odd because usually we are being reminded all the time that Harry is Royal , there is nothing that can be done about that blah blah and all the he is x in line to the throne, imagine what would happen if ... this thread is a "what if " too dealing with OP's visions. That's it and if people can't handle it or get upset by it then they need to take all of this less seriously 😂 FGS it's MN. You can't even post on Style and beauty without getting savaged.

dorathexplorer · 15/02/2025 14:16

@Tomatotater that may be your view but there are many who still see Gary as very relevant .

jeffgoldblum · 15/02/2025 14:16

BemusedAmerican · 15/02/2025 14:00

They just come across as very new money to me. I grew up in the NYC metro area and got used to seeing celebrities walking down the street, or at my job, with no fanfare at all. The titles for the kids, the monogrammed doormat, what appears to be non-stop social media drama, are all completely removed from reality.

What really stuns me is their apparently poor money management skills. Also, I keep reading that the Montecito house is by a wild bird sanctuary. The man who died from Avian flu in Louisiana caught it from his backyard flock, and they got it from wild birds. Harry and his family are more at risk in their yard than in the UK.

Interesting @BemusedAmerican !
I really enjoy hearing the thoughts and opinions from other countries ( also as I'm slightly nosy, love hearing about the day to day!)

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JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:18

@dorathexplorer He is a member of the Royal family as he is the Kings son. But he is effectively low contact with any "working" royals. So he is pretty irrelevant to how the Royal family as an institution ends.
Harry and Meghan have no impact on how the Royal family ends. Although they do demonstrate that it is possible to leave the Royal family and make your own living. I think other Royal family members in the future may decide to do this.

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JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:19

Bit sad that the discussion is all Harry and Meghan blah blah blah.
And my comments about the constitutional role of Christianity, how it intertwines with the Royal family, and the threat it poses to them has been ignored.
Maybe people simply do not understand the very real threat it will pose in the future to the Royal family?

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jeffgoldblum · 15/02/2025 14:23

Sincerely hope not! , Harry's way of 'making' money should certainly not be a blueprint for making money for others!
Revelations about other's privacy!
Insulting documentaries about families and a whole country!
Milking charities for all their worth!
Taking papers to court!

How about he just got a job!

Sallyslider653 · 15/02/2025 14:32

jeffgoldblum · 15/02/2025 13:43

You are arguing with the wrong poster @JoyousGreyOrca , I don't really give a stuff about any of this , I was simply pointing out that Harry and Meghan are non working royals and Andrew is a non working royal , either non working royals are not relevant to this thread or they are , there is no sliding scale , houses have nothing to do with it!

I think houses are still relevant bc, if I have this right, from what Wordler said, and from what is generally known, didn’t Meghan and Harry have to pay back renovation costs of Frogmore Cottage to the sovereign grant when they left? In other words FC is maintained through the Sovereign Grant?

And isn’t Frogmore Cottage the home that KC wants Prince Andrew to move to?

Happy to be corrected if I have this wrong as it’s a complicated subject!

One of my objections to having a monarchy is that all of the financial matters relating to
such a vast property portfolio are so complex.

There is too much opportunity to blur the boundaries between what is public and what is private.

If we had a Republic with a symbolic elected head of state they would be housed in one official house in London and a country estate like Chequers, and then every penny would be clearly accounted for.

And it would only house the President and their immediate family. No accommodation for errant brothers or errant adult sons would be necessary or provided!

IAmATorturedPoet · 15/02/2025 14:35

Harry and Meghan have no impact on how the Royal family ends. Although they do demonstrate that it is possible to leave the Royal family and make your own living. I think other Royal family members in the future may decide to do this.

I wouldn't be holding those two up as an example of how to do it, any 'living' they have made has been off the back of the RF. I think other members of the RF will be look at these two as a very good example of how not to do it.

jeffgoldblum · 15/02/2025 14:39

@Sallyslider653 , good question!
No idea as I said but although I'm not interested in getting rid of the monarchy, I like to know these things!🤣.

I will add one thing before I'm told off for mentioning them! 😉

We are told we are not paying for them anymore ( m and h) .
However all these court cases ( some possibly worthwhile) are costing the taxpayers money.
Everytime Harry comes back , it costs us money for security and if Harry gets his way , his security will cost us and taxpayers money in different countries!
So until this stops then I will lump them in with the other royals as worthy of criticism.

dorathexplorer · 15/02/2025 14:50

Gosh @Sallyslider653 you have more faith in humans than I do 😳

"If we had a Republic with a symbolic elected head of state they would be housed in one official house in London and a country estate like Chequers, and then every penny would be clearly accounted for."

dorathexplorer · 15/02/2025 14:50

IAmATorturedPoet · 15/02/2025 14:35

Harry and Meghan have no impact on how the Royal family ends. Although they do demonstrate that it is possible to leave the Royal family and make your own living. I think other Royal family members in the future may decide to do this.

I wouldn't be holding those two up as an example of how to do it, any 'living' they have made has been off the back of the RF. I think other members of the RF will be look at these two as a very good example of how not to do it.

Yet again 💯

MrsLeonFarrell · 15/02/2025 14:51

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:19

Bit sad that the discussion is all Harry and Meghan blah blah blah.
And my comments about the constitutional role of Christianity, how it intertwines with the Royal family, and the threat it poses to them has been ignored.
Maybe people simply do not understand the very real threat it will pose in the future to the Royal family?

How does Christianity threaten the future of the Royal family?

And could you please answer the question upthread about how the existence of the monarchy threatens you?

Both these statements are very confusing to me.

dorathexplorer · 15/02/2025 14:52

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:18

@dorathexplorer He is a member of the Royal family as he is the Kings son. But he is effectively low contact with any "working" royals. So he is pretty irrelevant to how the Royal family as an institution ends.
Harry and Meghan have no impact on how the Royal family ends. Although they do demonstrate that it is possible to leave the Royal family and make your own living. I think other Royal family members in the future may decide to do this.

That is your opinion but it doesn't make it fact. There are many in the same boat as you who have more ambitious ideas for the Dussexes.

dorathexplorer · 15/02/2025 14:55

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:19

Bit sad that the discussion is all Harry and Meghan blah blah blah.
And my comments about the constitutional role of Christianity, how it intertwines with the Royal family, and the threat it poses to them has been ignored.
Maybe people simply do not understand the very real threat it will pose in the future to the Royal family?

Maybe people don't think it's relevant or worthy of comment? Again it's your opinion that it is relevant. It doesn't mean people don't understand what you are saying.

IAmATorturedPoet · 15/02/2025 15:05

And my comments about the constitutional role of Christianity, how it intertwines with the Royal family, and the threat it poses to them has been ignored.

What the heck is this?? 😂
Sounds like you are setting us all a bloody essay - it’s Saturday afternoon!!!

bitteroldseetrouts · 15/02/2025 15:08

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:19

Bit sad that the discussion is all Harry and Meghan blah blah blah.
And my comments about the constitutional role of Christianity, how it intertwines with the Royal family, and the threat it poses to them has been ignored.
Maybe people simply do not understand the very real threat it will pose in the future to the Royal family?

Many posters have asked you questions about your own statements on the thread and you have ignored them. You can't demand interaction, especially when you are not forthcoming when posters respond to you in good faith.

bitteroldseetrouts · 15/02/2025 15:15

As for Harry, he's been doing his best to undermine the UK and his father, the head of state. Not only through all his personal attacks and the accusations of racism against his family and the British people; but also through his trips to places like Jamaica, hob robbing with its (highly hostile to the UK) PM, Andrew Holness; and to indigenous populations in Canada, making promises on behalf of his father he has no right to make and undermining KCIII's representative in that country, Gov. Gen. Mary Simon, who is also a woman of indigenous ancestry. And then there is Nigeria, doing faux inspections of the military and consorting with criminals. He's doing your work for you, @JoyousGreyOrca . He is very relevant to this discussion.

CathyorClaire · 15/02/2025 15:19

JoyousGreyOrca · 15/02/2025 14:19

Bit sad that the discussion is all Harry and Meghan blah blah blah.
And my comments about the constitutional role of Christianity, how it intertwines with the Royal family, and the threat it poses to them has been ignored.
Maybe people simply do not understand the very real threat it will pose in the future to the Royal family?

I think this question will come into particular focus when Willy becomes king.

He's apparently not a regular church goer and struggles with aspects of Christianity which might pose a problem for a supreme governor of the CofE.

Despite this we can all rest easy he's still prepared to 'observe his constitutional obligations' to the church.

Big of him.

Bontonbonbon · 15/02/2025 15:22

@JoyousGreyOrca It does make me laugh when Sussex sycophants post articles about the royals and to explain the constitution of the U.K. as if they are experts. Most people in the U.K. already know this and aren’t bothered. Are you British? Because you come across as clueless about British society, culture and attitudes.

CathyorClaire · 15/02/2025 15:22

Everytime Harry comes back , it costs us money for security and if Harry gets his way , his security will cost us and taxpayers money in different countries!
So until this stops then I will lump them in with the other royals as worthy of criticism.

We've also coughed up a £26m bid to bring his tainted circus to a bankrupt UK city which no doubt will be expected to underwrite further as yet unspecified costs.

CathyorClaire · 15/02/2025 15:25

CathyorClaire · 15/02/2025 15:19

I think this question will come into particular focus when Willy becomes king.

He's apparently not a regular church goer and struggles with aspects of Christianity which might pose a problem for a supreme governor of the CofE.

Despite this we can all rest easy he's still prepared to 'observe his constitutional obligations' to the church.

Big of him.

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Meant to post this link for anyone interested:

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/prince-william-struggles-with-the-church-of-england-says-royal-insider

jeffgoldblum · 15/02/2025 15:27

I know @CathyorClaire ! Shocking! Birmingham hasn't got a pot to piss in right now , they simply can't afford to spend money to massage the fragile ego of a prince!
And the millions already splashed for the spectacle that they retrospectively decided they didn't want!

Samcro · 15/02/2025 15:37

here we go again the same players derailing.
no wonder this topic is so dead to new posters.

jeffgoldblum · 15/02/2025 15:47

Samcro · 15/02/2025 15:37

here we go again the same players derailing.
no wonder this topic is so dead to new posters.

What do you mean by this exactly?

derxa · 15/02/2025 16:27

CathyorClaire · 15/02/2025 15:22

Everytime Harry comes back , it costs us money for security and if Harry gets his way , his security will cost us and taxpayers money in different countries!
So until this stops then I will lump them in with the other royals as worthy of criticism.

We've also coughed up a £26m bid to bring his tainted circus to a bankrupt UK city which no doubt will be expected to underwrite further as yet unspecified costs.

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The only time I’ve ever agreed with any of your usually tiresome posts.