Is there another couple like the Sussexes Part 2

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With this new authentic Insta post where Meghan positions herself as a go between in securing some signed merchandise I think there's still plenty to discuss.
This is a new image. No make up. Carefully edited insta. New lips. Is this influencer territory? Mention of " my husband and l " Echoes of the Queen ?

I don’t have instagram so haven’t seen it. I feel a bit sad for them if I’m honest. Everything at their feet when they married and they threw it all away with such spiteful relish imo.

I blame Harry more as he should have explained to Meghan what she was getting into. The royals are not a regular family. Not for nothing are they known as the firm.

However Meghan is a trier and will keep putting herself out there. And I sincerely believe or at least hope they love each other otherwise what was it all for.

Why feel sad for people who were given so much which they threw away and even then live a very wealthy lifestyle? H chose to walk away from a close family and a tight circle of friends. He then trashed them in a book. M stopped speaking to her father because of some paparazzi photos and didn't even contact him when he had a stroke.

Possibly because they had so much and threw it away without realising it. Scorched earth. They had the world at their feet and were badly advised/ taken advantage of. I feel sadder for Charles and William as watching it unfold must have been hell.

Families!

It can be an inner circle of hell watching a loved family member make terrible decisions and mess up their life really badly. Do you appease, to maintain contact? Or put your foot down and risk losing them permanently?

I think (and I may be wrong) that wise families always leave the door open with a chink of light glowing. But the hurt and heartache is nevertheless real.

However, when some lines are crossed, doors can close forever. I suspect that’s where Harry is finding himself in reality, while thinking he’s still at the ‘door always open’ stage.

I thought the Instagram video was heading into typical influencer territory, lots of hands to face, faux wide eyes, dramatic pause, oh my god, lots about what Meghan did. We'll be on to unboxing Dior hauls before long.

I honestly don’t think Harry envisaged this life . He was genuinely shocked to discover that he wouldn’t be funded indefinitely by Pa and that he would lose his taxpayer funded security .
He panicked and agreed to money making deals which he must surely regret given the fall out ?
Meghan always wanted fame and fortune . She wanted to be a star . When she found out that she would always be lower in the pecking order than Catherine , she wasn’t happy .
As others have said , they could have had a wonderful life here , fully funded , doing charitable works and enjoying the benefits. Their DC would have lots of cousins to play with and ( contrary to what Meghan claimed) they wouldn’t be papped on the school run .
I don’t feel sorry for them but I think they will have a lot of awkward questions to answer when A and L are older .
If Harry does want to reconcile with his family he really needs to do it while KC is around as he has no chance when William is King.

Calling people obsessive for posting negatively about Meghan is in the same vein as accusing them of hate. It could be seen as obsessive to show up on any thread about her to repeatedly make that point. I don’t hold that view but it’s a valid one.

Anyway…

I’ve watched a few YouTube commentators discussing the video, there are some valid points made. I found Royal News Network good for detailed insight and Twin Talk for insider Hollywood knowledge - plus they donate all their YouTube income to animal rescues, with a new charity named each episode.

These are very much pro royal so don’t expect a balanced view but they do pick up on stuff that we might have missed.

I seem to remember a little while ago there was a spate of videos of various influencers filming themselves buying a sandwich etc for a homeless person and sharing the clip online.

The point being of course that true charity and altruism is selfless. When you use a good deed for self-promotion, you’re guilty of exploiting a vulnerable person for personal gain. That’s not charity. Nor is it a good deed. It’s just a PR stunt.

And that’s what instantly hit me with Meghan’s video. No awareness at all that it’s not appropriate to share this kind of content - especially as it hadn’t even made its way to the recipients. It was a kind thought but that’s been lost in the crassness of making it a PR stunt.

Also worth mentioning again: multiple sources have pointed out that Meghan’s claims on video are untrue. She could not have seen a teenager standing in the burnt rubble of her home as residents weren’t allowed back in for several days. She’s made up a fictional story to get more clicks and ass-pats. I’m sure there is a girl but the story isn’t as Meghan tells it.

So yet more lies for personal gain. Tedious, yet predictable.

So BE (or her people) donated some merch ti a girl who had lost her house in the fires and Meghan opened up the box and went through what was in there and handed it on to the girl. Why did she need to open it up? It's a bit strange opening opening a present on camera meant for someone else.

Will be Shein at this rate.

I'm gonna buck the trend - as I don't usually think Meghan is especially good at PR - and say that I think the video was kind of sweet. It was a nice thing of her to do, albeit doing it behind the scenes and not publicising it might have been a better way of going about it.

But I appreciate she needs good PR right now and the video itself is quite well done in that it does at first blush appear unrehearsed and candid (it's not; it has at least 3 edit breaks) and she said her lines well. As the first proper piece of work Three Gates has done with her it's not bad and points towards a more intimate and candid style of PR going forward.

Yes, she could have gone thru WME to reach Billie and saved herself the bother of recording and sending out voice notes but it's a nice-looking personal touch.

Also fair to add that many talent agencies have a policy of not facilitating unilateral contact from one client to another unless the proposed contactee agrees to it. WME represents loads of celebs, some A list, some B and C. They don't want to get in the habit of facilitating contact between C listers and A listers because it's just gonna piss the more valuable A lister off and potentially breach confidentiality clauses.

Is Meghan C list? Genuine question. She’s married to a prince and is a duchess.

@Mylovelygreendress
" When she found out that she would always be lower in the pecking order than Catherine , she wasn’t happy ."

I agree with your assessment, but the thing that gets me, is that where she would be in the pecking order was still pretty fuxking high! Far far far higher up a pecking order than she could ever have imagined achieving before.

IMO, it was just as much a culture clash to blame - Meghan has a very Americanised, Hollywood view of Royalty and of celebrity. And that's what she couldn't really cope with not having. Very little glamour, red carpets, no daily tiaras, can't keep designer freebies, can't spend too much on designer haute couture, can't make word salad speeches on the hot topic issues of the day. The RF "star power" is not the star power she had ever wanted. And always, always, always - The Crown first.

It's fascinating really to see someone given so many opportunities for so little effort. And for them not to appreciate it and throw them away for IG clout. And a limited release reality show.

It's a grey area IMO.

Yes, she's married to a Prince and is a Royal Duchess. But she gave up being a Senior Working Royal, has no contact with the RF. And lives in a country where the titles are meaningless. There's hundreds of "Royals" in the US - Harry's just from the most well known RF.

"Kate isn't looking so good these days".

@Overtheatlantic the 1950s called. They want their casual misogyny back and they think they might have left it with you?

@GiveMeSpanakopita agree. The video was good and it was a lovely thing to do. But it's obviously PR.

Would it have been even better if the recipient had been the one who revealed the gift giving and who organised it? Yes, but it is what it is.

This is the world Meghan is living in. It's what IG influencers usually do to promote themselves. It's great she did it while helping someone else.

She's in a weird and totally unique limbo of touching A list because of Harry but being more C / D based on her own achievements and percieved money making power.

The US press has seemed in the past month or so to have collectively decided that it's C / D and therefore that she's fair game. The Hollywood Report effectively announced this with their bullying report and Vanity Fair put the seal on it.

Ahh ok thank you. Married to Harry makes her A list. Behaviour and her perceived persona makes her C list. Grey rocking from the RF must also lessen their brand. Interesting.

Wonder if they have any regrets about Oprah, NF & Spare. Or if they think they were justified.

@Treeleaf11 - yes! What on earth was she doing opening the gift for someone else?! And why did Billy Eilish’s people send it to Meghan and not directly to the fan?

The question is, though, is it going to be an isolated piece of PR? It seems to have popped up out of the blue and with questionable timing wrt Catherine going out and about again. I think it can only be regarded as successful if it continues and manages to remain positive. She does have form for flitting about from one idea to another. As pp have said, her insta feed needs to have momentum for it to work 🤷‍♀️

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Considering M is so altruistic and a great advocate of feminism and a humanitarian why didn't she chooses relevant career? Human rights lawyer, environmentalist etc instead she picked the most narcissistic career there is, a career that means you always have to play being someone else

I'm not sure prancing about in Deal or No Deal was really the way to go

it does at first blush appear unrehearsed and candid (it's not; it has at least 3 edit breaks)

I counted 16 edits. In about 90 seconds. It looks completely insane to me but I'm not really on insta or TT, is that normal?!

I’ve never understood how these lists are compiled or categorised. I don’t think being a duchess carries any weight. Being married to Harry probably does bump her up a lot.

I’d be interested to know who is on what list and why.

Being an actor is far from the most narcissistic career.

I’d say politicians generally have a larger amount of narcissists.