Harry v NGN 2

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I don't think we're done talking - and I never start threads!

As you were!

Op still going with emojis and snidely comments then

From start of the thread...

Yes I do.

As a long time poster on here can’t say I’ve seen that posted, and if ‘people’ have told you it must have been through private messaging, is there a ball park figure of these people?

You could always set one up and get your people to engage who are reluctant to post on the RF board if you feel that would achieve a broader range of opinions.

No. Not through private messaging but time and time again posters have said in areas outside of the royal family board on MN, words that echo my thoughts on it. That they wouldn't post in the RF board

Which is why you get a broader set of opinions elsewhere on MN on threads about the royals

I don't have 'people'.

You were the one posting about ‘people’ not me, people have told you directly that they don’t want to post on this board according to your posts, how many by the way?

I don't think it did Harry personally any favours,

For you, that is the result of the book.

For me, it was a new found respect for him.

Different strokes and all that.

The people I know found it interesting for a variety of reasons.

Just returning to this point from a few pages back, because no, this doesn’t worry me much. Because litigation is all about the tactics, and there are plenty of tactics that also work in the favour of the small claimant taking on the big corporation. As exploited very successfully by claims management companies currently. They can effectively force corporations to spend hundreds of thousands and even millions in legal fees when they have done nothing wrong. There’s also plenty of litigation funders out there, which is a new-ish development. So the picture isn’t as one sided as you might think from just looking at one case.

It would have been great to see NGN held to account in court, but ultimately settlement must have been in Harry’s best interests financially. It’s certainly was in the Defendant’s.

Even though I’ve been called pedantic, about saying a settlement is not a win, the statement from NGN was some apology.

I hope Harry feels vindicated as far as possible.

Refreshing to see such a balanced comment from
WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout

I think most reasonable and decent people, given the tactics of tabloids over the years, would applaud anyone for taking this case right to the brink of trial, standing up to the very real malign influence that Murdoch and co exert over uk society.

I hope Harry feels vindicated as far as possible.

So do I because it's cost him years and a lot of money, I'm not so sure he will though.

Well, I am still waiting know how the 1300 Harry was taking it to trial for were given accountability or closure within a statement of apology aimed at Harry and Watson only?

So next up, the Daily Mail case. Where Harry, Baroness Lawrence et al are estimating they will clock up £38m in costs. And have been thoroughly chastised by the judges in the costs hearing for excessive hourly rates and duplicate work on what he describes as simple claims. So they willl not receive back all those costs from the DM, even if they win. And, to be fair, the DM also got a telling off for their costs. But as I understand it, the DM isn't inclined to settle, and can probably take the costs hit if it goes all the way.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/high-court-slashes-costs-in-prince-harry-and-others-case-against-newspaper/5122142.article

Do you really take this seriously?

It's just interactive entertainment - I don't know any of you or the people we are talking about, why would you spend time on here if it wasn't fun?
Some threads aren't fun for me, so I don't read them- some of the replies have really made me laugh, not to sneer, but to laugh as it is all so preposterous to me.

Harry seems to behave too as if his mother was exclusive to him

From earlier, I agree with this. Glosses over the fact William was still a child- I do not agree with the posts that say because William was two years older he was better to deal with it. I don't think anyone, let alone children, can deal with it.

Also, I do wonder what Hugh Grant thinks of all this.

He apologised for not continuing, only to find Harry didn't either

I'm sorry, but you did say you would expect it published, so why get defensive? Who would say it to the Press - KC or Harry?

I agree with you, I think it highly unlikely KC would give Harry millions to fund his court case. But it's not outwith the realms of possibility that KC has been giving his darling boy some financial help. He funded him right up almost to the Oprah interview. He loves both his sons, and he's a bit of a soft touch (IMO), I could see him funnelling H&M "gifts for the children".

I read that too, that the Mail isn't inclined to settle.

I wonder if Harry is expecting Elton John to bear the brunt of carrying the costs for taking this to trial? He (Elton John) is in a different financial league to the others.

But EJ is not well, he doesn't need the stress, and he's just experienced Harry settling on economic grounds and receiving an apology that EJ's own personal lawyers will tell him is far from the accountability that Harry had publicly stated he was out to achieve for others.

(The claimants against the Mail aka ANL are Harry, Elton John, David Furnish, Doreen Lawrence, Sadie Frost, Liz Hurley and former MP Simon Hughes. The only one with very deep pockets is EJ.)

Whilst I agree that Charles is unlikely to fund Harry's court case, I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that Harry thought he would.

I was struck a few years ago by Harry saying that the money he inherited from his mother was for his children. He seemed to think that money to live on just appears. The idea that most people who inherit money use it seems alien to him . Plus the late Queen obviously funded Andrew's legal battles which may have established a precedent in Harry's mind. He doesn't really seem to get that he needs to pay for his own life with whatever funds he has, either earned or inherited.

Well EJ can certainly afford it, but I'm not sure why he should bear the costs for other rich celebrities, unless he's the one that's persuaded them to come on board and lend legitimacy/strength to the case in exchange for no personal costs. I am not including Doreen Lawrence in this, I truly hope she is being taken care of and shielded from any costs consequences.

I do wonder how Sherborne is spinning last week's NGN settlement and the DM case costs hearing to EJ, though. This all started with EJ and the hirsute one, didn't it?

David Sherborne will be repeating his speech that this is a “stunning victory” surely?

Meanwhile, back in the real world, and away from the claimants’ hyperbole, other stakeholders recognise that the case did not have the impact they were hoping for. The following is from the Press Recognition Panel - an independent body set up following the Leveson enquiry to ensure that regulators of the press are independent, properly funded and able to protect the public.

I agree, and always have, that we need a proper Press regulator that will monitor their activities while respecting their important function - but cannot see that happening. (I said exactly that to a former Fleet Street editor once and he pretty much laughed at me!)

We'll probably never know, but isn't it also possible that Charles pays for security, living expenses, etc, but insisted he wouldn't fund the court case precisely so that Harry would be forced to settle and the angst could be shut down?

As ever more than one thing can be true at once, in the same way that we can admire Harry standing up to the media but regret his blowing a gale only to backtrack

I'm one who generally avoids posting on these threads, and often avoid this boards because of the behaviour of a few.

The people who clearly believe the H&M do no wrong (even though they normally start off with something like "I'm not a fan but...") derail threads, and sling insults around about other posters or other members of the RF, which changes what could be an interesting discussion into a two-sided debate.