Harry v. NGN

[Atlasvue]

Starting a thread for Tuesday.
This BBC article covers the basics. This is the last line ….
’Tuesday really is the beginning of the end. And someone is going to lose - and lose big.’

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win but he just wants to use the public setting to air his grievances. A therapy session would have worked out much cheaper.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo

Harry sounds like a typical pothead unemployed man with no drive, no ethics, just selfish and lazy.

@elessar Well partially sarcastic. It’s the case the lawyers negotiating need sleep too and aren’t working on California time. As our courts don’t. We will see if they get going as the judge has demanded or it’s more stalling.

The fact everyone else settled, and the judge has asked them to settle, leads solely to Harry’s belligerence as the reason they have not settled - yet. The press can write that Meghan’s putting on pressure but the court is too. The judge clearly feels it’s wasting resources when a settlement could be reached. As it should be.

We are probably lucky that William was born first.

Time differences may be code for intense conversations in Montecito - Meghan using her “shouting energy”. They have had so many knocks in the last couple of months, it must be hard to regroup and recalculate their next move.

I think there may be a point of swallowing pride and accepting they can’t be the serious players they want to be, they can’t bring down the tabloid press or Murdock, but have the sense to accept that If the settlement is enough to set them up for life. He may not feel that justice has been served but that he had at least been mightily compensated for the strange life he was born into and the intrusion that brought to him.

They could go down the - these have been intensely stressful times, we need to take time out with family, expecting our privacy to be respected etc etc, then give up on all the media stuff and just stick to low key social/charity activities without tours, interviews or calling back grid. If he settles, he will always have to accept that the press will always keep him as a figure of fun, he will always have to be on his guard against appearing hypocritical, they will not necessarily treat him more sympathetically than they have so far. But the hustling can stop, they can enjoy their money and maybe try to build bridges with family back in the U.K.

Thoughts and Prayers for Mr Justice Fancourt...

Any settlement will surely only cover his legal costs up to now and a bit left over. He won’t be in any better position from when he started. Different if he had settled earlier though.

it won't be enough to set them up for life, William was reported to have received 1million, I think Harrys' settlement will be around that figure maybe 1.5 / 2 million.

He can’t dragon slay today, he’s already booked on another disaster tour. Meeting Firefighters.

@Atlasvue He was in danger of losing £10 million in costs if he loses. Avoiding that catastrophe and getting some money instead is obviously a better course of action. The judge is frustrated by the antics and wants a settlement. The court has pushed for this for months. Belligerent Harry meets the deep pockets of Murdoch who can afford to lose. It’s doubtful Harry can.

I am not getting this time difference thing either . During lockdown I got up in the middle of the night to watch the live stream of a friend’s funeral from another country . I never gave it a second thought .
if this case is SO impotent to him/ mankind , why isn’t he up or - even better- at the court ? Of course , as I said earlier, maybe he is worried he won’t be allowed back to the US ! (Only half joking ).
It’s not as if he would be leaving Meghan struggling alone with 2 DC ( as I saw on X as a reason for him not coming).
His sense of entitlement is jaw dropping. I hope the judge reprimands him.

He’s made himself look like a fool, he could have settled months ago but no- he literally went on stage to say he is fighting for what is right, wants his day in court and is representing all those people who can’t. He was well aware at this point of the cost implications.

Now he’s taking the sweaty cash and is doing more LA fires PR to try and distract from wasting courts time and showing people for the hypocrite he is.

As a member of the judiciary, Mr Justice Fancourt has shown remarkable restraint dealing with Harry et al’s antics thus far. I can only imagine the sort of language he might employ about the whole affair in private 😂

Didn’t William donate his settlement to Invictus ?

It was tongue in cheek to say Harry needs his sleep. However I doubt he’s negotiating without advisers and the hours available for uk/usa negotiation is probably quite small as the uk court system has a timetable. Court will be starting soon and they are 7 hours behind in LA. So negotiations during court time are difficult - however Harry should be here.

Or Archewell?

Yes, but this is not America. Payouts in Britain are much smaller. It will still be a lot of money, but nowhere near that sort of sum.

Yes, I know IcedPurple. I never said that he would collect that much. I can see that my post could be read like that, but it is not what I meant. Blame it on limitations of the written word in forums. The point I meant to make was that the bigger the settlement offer, the bigger the risk for Harry.

So why didn't he take that option from the start?

Well, he didn’t take it with the Mirror. He rejected a settlement and he won.

For sure, I thought ‘slaying dragons’ was hyperbolic but I was glad he won the Mirror case. I think the tabloid media is careless with people’s lives generally. Sometimes it seems to come perilously close to malice. Actually illegal information gathering is malicious, isn’t it?

His case against Daily Mail case is still to come to court. Next year, I think.

Not to mention implying that his brother was a cowardly sell out for taking a 'secret settlement'?

I don’t remember him implying that but I’ll take your word for it. I had thought some posters here, and elsewhere on the internet, implied that.

Please don’t mistake me for someone who thinks Harry can do no wrong, but also don’t mistake me for someone that wants to cast a villain in the royal family drama. The thing about the internet, I think arguably the greatest danger of the internet, is that it tends to push people into developing and maintaining inflexible viewpoints. It’s hard not to succumb and talk in absolutes.

The BBC live coverage has started up. Everyone is due in court at 10.30 apparently. If all their alarm clocks are working 😆

Apparently he did.

Harry will probably claim he donated it, but it will be to his own charity where he can blow 95% of it on himself, and all tax exempt.

I honestly think settling is the right thing, he is between a rock and a hard place with regards to his reputation, he will look like the twat he is for settling despite all his grandstanding about doing it for 'others' or face being be exposed and humiliated by Murdoch's lawyers for the twat he is..

Yes was due to start at 10am but already a half hour delay. What a joke

The judge should hold them all in contempt of court with this piss taking

“Not to mention implying that his brother was a cowardly sell out for taking a 'secret settlement'?
I don’t remember him implying that but I’ll take your word for it. I had thought some posters here, and elsewhere on the internet, implied that.”

In his submissions to the court for this trial he said that there was a “secret agreement” that had taken place between the Palace and NGN. He seems to forget that William was in part responsible for instigating initial proceedings in the phone hacking cases

Maybe it’s the judge who decided he couldn’t be bothered to turn up on time today 😂

Actually, maybe he won't donate it to Archewell, because then it will become public how much his settlement was.

The point I meant to make was that the bigger the settlement offer, the bigger the risk for Harry.

Sure, but weren't we told this wasn't about the money for him? Seems that depends on just how much much money is at stake?

Also you said "If I was Harry I’d take the massive settlement offer and set about changing his and his young family’s life so that neither he or Meghan have to worry about finances ever again."

I really don't think any settlement is going to be anywhere near providing for their Montecito lifestyle for life.

I don’t remember him implying that but I’ll take your word for it. I had thought some posters here, and elsewhere on the internet, implied that.

Don't just take my word for it. As another poster has detailed, this was part of his submission in his court case, incidentally breaching his brother's privacy. Which is odd given Harry's public persona, I'm sure you'll agree.

The thing about the internet, I think arguably the greatest danger of the internet, is that it tends to push people into developing and maintaining inflexible viewpoints. It’s hard not to succumb and talk in absolutes.

Definitely!

Harry will probably claim he donated it, but it will be to his own charity where he can blow 95% of it on himself, and all tax exempt.

He was trumpet blowing about donating $1.5m to Sentebale from the profits on Waaagh yet AFAIC see there doesn't appear to be any record or report of such a donation even from the tax-efficient Archewell

https://www.geo.tv/latest/483034-harry-did-not-donate-book-proceeds-to-senteble

And wasn’t there an issue about Meghan not donating money she had promised to an elephant charity ?