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The royal family

Harry v. NGN

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Atlasvue · 19/01/2025 10:02

Starting a thread for Tuesday.
This BBC article covers the basics. This is the last line ….
Tuesday really is the beginning of the end. And someone is going to lose - and lose big.

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win but he just wants to use the public setting to air his grievances. A therapy session would have worked out much cheaper.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo

Prince Harry leaves the court during his hacking case against the Daily Mirror. He wears a dark coloured suit, white shirt and tie. His barrister David Sherborne, also dressed in a dark suit is on his left.  A crowd of photographers are behind a metal...

Prince Harry versus newspapers: This is the one that matters

Prince Harry’s legal battle against British tabloids for allegedly unlawfully intruding into his life reaches its most important moment on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo

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EmeraldRoulette · 22/01/2025 12:16

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 12:13

You used to campaign for privacy rights? Eh?

Not sure what about that needs explaining?

As Lord Watson said today, there are many people, ordinary people, who fall victim to the press

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 12:16

EmeraldRoulette · 22/01/2025 12:16

Not sure what about that needs explaining?

As Lord Watson said today, there are many people, ordinary people, who fall victim to the press

Uh huh, sure

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Dolma · 22/01/2025 12:17

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:06

@Alarmclockstop Did William start proceedings? Did he set out the allegations which were reported on by the media for months? Or did he just write private letter and then accept whatever money they offered him. The two are not comparable.

William was the first person to realise that phone hacking was taking place. He contacted the police in 2005 and kicked off the entire police investigation, leading to the Leveson inquiry and the closure of News of The World.

Whereas Harry was told about it, but sat on his hands for a couple of decades until the limitation period ran out.

It's very curious that you think Harry has been the more impactful of the two brothers here.

Partybagprick · 22/01/2025 12:17

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:06

@Alarmclockstop Did William start proceedings? Did he set out the allegations which were reported on by the media for months? Or did he just write private letter and then accept whatever money they offered him. The two are not comparable.

As a civil litigation lawyer, you should know that if you can get a huge amount of compensation off the back of a couple of letters, then that is a huge victory for a client. Nobody who is not out on a foolish crusade wants to go through a trial, and no clients thank you for the legal bill at the end of one, even when they have won.

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 12:21

The true winners are the lawyers and legal teams.

I’m happy for Harry that he’s getting some compensation. There’s sure to be an amount left over after he’s paid the huge legal bill (for both sides as I understand it? - Happy to be wrong on this).

It isn’t the grand victory that he was wanting though as had already been said above. He’s not made a difference in the way William did with his case which helped trigger the Leveson enquiry. THAT made a difference.

Mollysay · 22/01/2025 12:23

Thought it wasn't about the money and that he was going to see it through to the end? Lmao what a clown.

Choccyscofffy · 22/01/2025 12:24

IcedPurple · 19/01/2025 22:26

He didn't 'want his day in court' enough to take the financial hit though, did he?

Anyway, like the vast majority of people, I really don't care about Hugh Grant or Harry's phones being hacked decades ago.

And 'these people' aren't going to be 'humiliated'. This is all ancient history and they've already paid out hundreds of millions.

Luckily the courts don’t operate based on what IcedPurple likes or dislikes.

This isn’t being done for your delectation.

Serenster · 22/01/2025 12:24

I’m happy for Harry that he’s getting some compensation. There’s sure to be an amount left over after he’s paid the huge legal bill (for both sides as I understand it? - Happy to be wrong on this).

Just FYI he’s no longer facing the risk of having to pay NGN’s legal fees. That risk only crystallised if he took the case to trial and was awarded less in damages than NGN had already offered him to settle.

Wheresthebeach · 22/01/2025 12:25

Dolma · 22/01/2025 12:17

William was the first person to realise that phone hacking was taking place. He contacted the police in 2005 and kicked off the entire police investigation, leading to the Leveson inquiry and the closure of News of The World.

Whereas Harry was told about it, but sat on his hands for a couple of decades until the limitation period ran out.

It's very curious that you think Harry has been the more impactful of the two brothers here.

Exactly. William was the one who took on the media and won. Shutting down The News of the World was the result. Harry has just been his usual attention seeking publicity hound. He could have settled years ago, instead he's pretended to be some sort of hero taking on the press. He criticised William for taking the money, he was going to expose the lies. Or...he's taken the cash and running now.

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:26

@Partybagprick you have no idea what compensation William received and the point is that William said nothing publicly which is the exact opposite to what Harry has done. William didn't get a public apology being printed and discussed online and in the papers. He didn't try and publicly accuse the papers of wrongdoing.

Viviennemary · 22/01/2025 12:27

kirinm · 22/01/2025 11:57

But there is always a litigation risk that every party to litigation has to take into consideration.

It is so predicable that this is being painted as a bad move from Harry and some sort of win by Murdoch. Ridiculous.

I listened to a snippet on Sky news. That awful Jenni Bond said it was a victory for Harry. Not sure who it's a victory for. He got an apology I suppose.

MummyJ12 · 22/01/2025 12:28

Serenster · 22/01/2025 12:24

I’m happy for Harry that he’s getting some compensation. There’s sure to be an amount left over after he’s paid the huge legal bill (for both sides as I understand it? - Happy to be wrong on this).

Just FYI he’s no longer facing the risk of having to pay NGN’s legal fees. That risk only crystallised if he took the case to trial and was awarded less in damages than NGN had already offered him to settle.

Thanks 😊

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 22/01/2025 12:30

Meh

Serenster · 22/01/2025 12:31

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:26

@Partybagprick you have no idea what compensation William received and the point is that William said nothing publicly which is the exact opposite to what Harry has done. William didn't get a public apology being printed and discussed online and in the papers. He didn't try and publicly accuse the papers of wrongdoing.

Harry told us in his witness statement that William accepted “a very large sum of money” in settlement of his claim against NGN. He also didn’t run the risk of private and potentially sensitive information about him and his wife being revealed in open court, though. Horses for courses…

samarrange · 22/01/2025 12:31

Atlasvue · 19/01/2025 10:02

Starting a thread for Tuesday.
This BBC article covers the basics. This is the last line ….
Tuesday really is the beginning of the end. And someone is going to lose - and lose big.

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win but he just wants to use the public setting to air his grievances. A therapy session would have worked out much cheaper.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l00xkgwnyo

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win

Hope you didn't put the rent money on that at Ladbrokes, OP!

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 12:32

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:26

@Partybagprick you have no idea what compensation William received and the point is that William said nothing publicly which is the exact opposite to what Harry has done. William didn't get a public apology being printed and discussed online and in the papers. He didn't try and publicly accuse the papers of wrongdoing.

No he didn’t make a spectacle of himself, stating that he was fight on behalf of others.

Where are the ‘others’ mentioned in the apology? I thought Harry was fighting on behalf of them? Will he be splitting his settlement with all these people?

No William, dealt with it, without wasting courts time and donated his compensation. No drama, no attention seeking, no making himself out to be some sort of saviour of the people, not out to seek monetary gain.

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IcedPurple · 22/01/2025 12:32

samarrange · 22/01/2025 12:31

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win

Hope you didn't put the rent money on that at Ladbrokes, OP!

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But he didn't win.

He accepted an out of court settlement, something which had been available to him all along.

Janiie · 22/01/2025 12:32

samarrange · 22/01/2025 12:31

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win

Hope you didn't put the rent money on that at Ladbrokes, OP!

Edited

But he didn't win. He settled?

jeffgoldblum · 22/01/2025 12:33

He neither won nor lost , neither side did , that's the point of a settlement!

Partybagprick · 22/01/2025 12:33

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:26

@Partybagprick you have no idea what compensation William received and the point is that William said nothing publicly which is the exact opposite to what Harry has done. William didn't get a public apology being printed and discussed online and in the papers. He didn't try and publicly accuse the papers of wrongdoing.

It's widely reported - from Harry's own court filings and complete disregard for his brother's privacy - that William received a "very large sum of money". This makes sense since Catherine was allegedly hacked 100s of times. So you do the math, litigation lawyer, how much do you think it would have been?

William's complaints to the police helped bring about the Leveson Inquiry, the consequences of which to press intrusion and practices has meant a great deal more than individual civil claims brought 20+ years after the events, events that no longer occur.

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 12:34

samarrange · 22/01/2025 12:31

I have a feeling, that Harry won’t win

Hope you didn't put the rent money on that at Ladbrokes, OP!

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Well I was correct wasnt I?

There was no trial. He did not win.

He got a basic apology, one of which DIDNT cover the issue of why he went to court- to prove those high up in NGN were complicit in illegal information gathering. He got no such apology.

What he got was pocket change from Murdoch.

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kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:35

@Viviennemary it wasn't a basic apology though was it. It literally acknowledges unlawful activities. They pay substantial damages and issue a very thorough apology. If that isn't a win, I'm not sure what is.

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 12:36

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:35

@Viviennemary it wasn't a basic apology though was it. It literally acknowledges unlawful activities. They pay substantial damages and issue a very thorough apology. If that isn't a win, I'm not sure what is.

He went to court to prove those high up were complicit. The apology said no such thing.

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Janiie · 22/01/2025 12:36

Atlasvue · 22/01/2025 12:32

No he didn’t make a spectacle of himself, stating that he was fight on behalf of others.

Where are the ‘others’ mentioned in the apology? I thought Harry was fighting on behalf of them? Will he be splitting his settlement with all these people?

No William, dealt with it, without wasting courts time and donated his compensation. No drama, no attention seeking, no making himself out to be some sort of saviour of the people, not out to seek monetary gain.

B

Yep. Ne did it with privacy and dignity. Something Harrry knows absolutely nothing about.
The attention seeking dragon slayer settles, it really is all so very predicatable and quite amusing too. Bet William is all 🙄🙄🙄

Lunde · 22/01/2025 12:36

kirinm · 22/01/2025 12:06

@Alarmclockstop Did William start proceedings? Did he set out the allegations which were reported on by the media for months? Or did he just write private letter and then accept whatever money they offered him. The two are not comparable.

William started the whole Royal phone hacking investigation when he realised he was being hacked in 2005 and reported to the police - It was later found that the answerphone of one of his aides had been hacked and the hackers were listening to William's voice messages. The investigation eventually resulted in the imprisonment of 2 people.

William sued the Sun-Originally William's court action was a joint action with Harry but Harry dropped out, preferring to pursue his claim separately.

Harry was very critical of William settling out of court - a bit hypocritical now that he has done exactly the same

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