When will pointless King abdicate

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in favour of another bastion of the Monarchy? Loathe them all but assume it will take another generation to allow them to bow out in some sort of graceful manner - and hang onto loads of Titles, Land, Jewels, money etc. How has someone given the title of 'Queen Consort' i.e ex Mistress is now referred to as Queen and bestowed privileges e.g being allowed to allocate Royal Warrants? Don't know how she's got the gall to wear jewellery that previously adorned previous incumbent let alone the late Queen. Luckily, she does bugger all but retire to the home settled in the Divorce, smoke fags, drink Gin and Dubonnet (smells just like Granny!) and ensures stock of fully functioning Mont Blanc Fountain Pens are to hand - ready to be despatched to King at the faintest sign of a tremulous lip.

I’m sure if Charles had pushed for a simpler version he probably would have been accommodated but equally he didn’t force the government to spend the budget they did. The people we elected to make these decisions on our behalf agreed to it.

Let’s say I think that if everything in the uk was rosy, a monarchy would be less of an anachronism.

I think a huge problem arises when there is so much of a gap between the very top echelons of society and the very bottom, that it is bordering on the obscene.

I understand that many people don’t see the monarchy as part of the problem; as just a harmless, powerless institution that is symbolic and formalistic.

However, increasingly, it is becoming apparent that the Monarchy has more influence and ties to government than first thought eg they are forewarned of any legislation potentially affecting their finances and the King runs a commercial company but at the same time has special tax privileges.

So are they purely symbolic or not?

Yes, agreed. Poor governance is part of the issue.

Wouldn’t it have been nice if our MPs had consulted us!

The decisions are made on our behalf for sure. As is the fundamental question whether we want a Monarchy or not.

Personally, I think it will be time, following seventy years of QE2´s reign and perhaps 20 years of Charles’s reign, to ask the people!

A lot changes in almost one century!

Reading your posts makes your utopia sound utterly miserable, a vast sea of grey in a grey country, and as for the European royals being the torch bearers for modern royalty you clearly don’t watch them much, their extensive collections of massive tiaras and crowns are on their heads and every available opportunity, I’m pretty sure Max would wear one shopping if she could!

The European royals seem to have more dress up events I think. Well from my lurking on the S&B threads!

Admittedly I don’t watch Royalty much in any country!

I disagree about the grey-ness though! The UK has a fantastically rich heritage aside from its monarchy. It has arguably some of the most beautiful natural geographical landscapes contained within in its shores.
The most beautiful stately homes. Incredible museums. Amazing heritage sites which preserve ancient agricultural practices and trades. Medieval monasteries and guilds. Some of the best 10th and 11th century cathedrals in the world! Roman and Anglo-Saxon ruins! Etc.

None of that could be described as grey and boring surely?

Our forces maintain proud traditions too (some may argue they are inextricably linked to monarchy but times change and every soldier I have met who has served says they fight for their comrades and families and freedom of speech rather than their monarch).

Virtually every town, city, and village in the country has some interesting historical artefact or tradition or foodstuff.

When you think of our wealth of architecture too, it’s about as far from grey as you can get.

Edited to say: what we are lacking is a vision for the future.

The most beautiful stately homes … Medieval monasteries and guilds. Some of the best 10th and 11th century cathedrals in the world!

I genuinely don’t see how you can class these as national treasures but completely dismiss one example among the many of them that still exists and even thrive in the modern age?

That’s a very good point Serenster.

It’s not so much dismissing the monarchy as asking whether or not it should form part of the UK’s future? And if so, why?

I wasn’t talking about what our country has to offer, I am talking about national events that bring the country together and show our heritage and history off to the world. 4.1 billion people watched the Queen’s funeral worldwide for example but I’m sure you knew what I was referring to.

Doesn't make it right though! There's plenty of people who still dislike C & C for what they did to Diana and that's their prerogative.

And I guess why we are not treating our dcs’ futures with as much reverence and care as the past?

They do don’t they! Some of their tiaras are incredible and they wear so many different ones as well, they aren’t afraid of opening the vaults and showing them off, unlike us, if I see the lovers knot tiara one more time…….and don’t get me started on Sophie’s monstrosity!

Agreed. I have to go out now so forgive brief answer (if your comment was directed at me)
but I was pointing out the dissonance in a country that makes a great display of wealth publically, while the actual functioning of that country is not going so well for many of its ordinary citizens? Where wealth and health outcomes are declining for so many?

As a Republican, I genuinely can’t comment on whether the monarchy is a unifying institution in our countries or not? It doesn’t seem to be so on Mumsnet (joke 😀) but the majority are in favour currently.

There is certainly an argument for historical continuity.

I’m pretty certain that this country is not alone in having ostentatious displays of wealth by some when the country itself is not thriving 🤷‍♀️

Have you never been irritated by your child and said something like that??

"Our wonderful Queen" gave her permission to her son to marry Camilla. As head of the church she did not attend the ceremony but she and Philip went to the rest of the celebration. Not that long before she died she stated that it was her wish for Camilla to be queen consort so I think we can be pretty secure in the assumption that both the king and queen had the approval of the late Queen, in contrast to your horrid rant.

Camilla has worked hard to get herself into the respected position she is now as she was much hated and criticised. Most people have moved on from 30/40 years ago. Nobody is 'without sin'. Maybe you should educate yourself and join the rest of us in the 21st century.

I don't know how you assess her as "evil". Your post comes across as very ignorant and ill-informed.

What a pile of rubbish.

Maybe if you are consumed so much by visceral hatred you should avoid any reference or pictures of the RF?

By your reckoning, I don't know why you think the late Queen was worthy and her son and heir is not. Literally both born to the role. Listen to yourself!

Maybe you were being "servile" in spite of yourself. I know I wasn't.

If you want a display of ostentation have you ever been to the Vatican?

I love all the traditional pomp and circumstance. Nobody does it as well as the UK does.

They bring money into the economy.

Do you really think that money would have been allocated to public services?

By that logic, there should be an extra £72m available every year there's not a coronation?

Oh come off it! Just because you don't like them!

Excellent point - I don't see anyone throwing shade at those!

I liked Diana and think she was a quite remarkable person who had much more to give, tragically cut short.

However, the sort of hyperbole that describes Camilla as "evil" is beyond bonkers. Not understanding that becoming Queen (Consort or Regnant) is purely based on who you marry/are born to simply shows a severe lack of informedness. It isn't some sort of popularity contest or based on being arbitarily attractive enough or deemed somehow "worthy" by the public vote. It isn't Love Island.

They can't win can they! Damned if they do and damned if they don't!

William didn't want a ceremony. Can you imagine the yapping there would be if he had??

Pretty sad to hold a grudge for upwards of 40 years!

Did YOU pay for the carriage to be shipped over?

At the 2023 coronation am I right in thinking that the King used two coaches?

I think one was the big golden coach, which has been around for a long time and has pictures painted on the sides, and is said to be uncomfortable. Is it made of wood or metal? Is it painted gold or is gold leaf put on to it?

Now, was the other coach which was used, one which was made in Australia and given to HMQE2 some years ago? I do think that a coach was being built in Oz by the team of Mr. Frecklington, or a name a bit like that, in 2023, but I don't know if it's completed or came here yet.