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Both Harry and Tyler talking about H&Ms marriage. Why?

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Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 09:57

Please note, this thread is to discuss the rumours surrounding Harry and Meghans marriage. For those posters who don’t like to speculate, this thread isnt for you.
Now with Harry discussing his marriage in public, on stage with the worlds media watching, then it’s fair comment to discuss such issues.

To my point! Why did both Harry and Tyler allow questions about the marriage and why did they both talk?

There’s always rumours about H&M, that’s nothing new. In these interviews that are requested, possible questions are talked about beforehand with their teams and anything off limits will be strictly outlined. Many celebs will have a strict policy on not discussing certain issues. It’s why we will never see Tom Cruise getting asked about Suri etc

So why oh why, was questions about their marriage/rumours allowed?

So at the Dealbook conference Harry was asked a question about H&M suddenly doing their events separately. Indeed, Harry’s appearance at Dealbook was a surprise when he was slated to appear at Tyler Perrys award months ago.

Question:

There's articles left and right about, you know, 'Why are you doing independent events? Why aren't you doing them together?'" Sorkin said. "Is that a good thing for you, in a way, that there's so much interest in you?"

Harry reflected that the media speculation is "definitely not a good thing," adding: "We've apparently divorced maybe 10, 12 times as well. So, it's just like, what?"

So Harry and his team allowed a question about the rumours of their separation and thrn Harry took it even further by actually talking about divorce rumours, when the interviewer said no such thing.

Theres rumours all the time about their marriage. Remember last year when the Sun had an article that he had a hotel room on standby at a nearby hotel? He didn’t come out then and talk about those rumours. Yet, talk of their separation seems to have upset them this time that they’ve felt the need to talk about it. This wouldn’t have been done without Meghan approval either

Which brings me to Tyler. He gave an exclusive interview to E! Where he again, talks about Harry and Meghan relationship:

"They love each other," Tyler told E! News at the Paley Honors Fall Gala, where he was honored with the prestigious Paley Honors award. "They have a beautiful family and I just want the best for them."

Tyler giving an exclusive interview would not have allowed a question on the couple unless it had been ok’d. What we don’t see in the E! Article is what question he was asked to give that somewhat odd reply. Was he asked if they’ve split? Was he asked why Harry didn’t appear with Meghan? Who knows! But it must have been a something questioning their relationship to give out an answer like that. A answer which makes the relationship look like it’s in trouble by saying he wants the best for them. Why did he allow that question in an exclusive interview?

I think it’s because M&H have been rattled by the rumours and annoyed that people have picked up upon him bailing from the Tyler Perry awards and not having been pictured with his wife in months. So they’ve allowed these questions to try and bat away the rumours.

But Tyler saying they love each other and he wants the best for them is hardly a ringing endorsement, it actually sounds more like he’s rooting for them to pull through.

Harry never shuts down the split rumours either, he just laments the press (even though it isn’t the press) for stating he’s been divorced 10/12 times. He doesn’t actually say something like- yes, we’re really focusing on our individual projects right now, busy trying to get as much done as possible and separating projects has allowed us to do that. But rumours about a marriage split are completely wrong and untrue.

So H&M PR have told them to quash the rumours this week, because it looks like they were rattled. Which only leads you then to think, that it’s probably true. They probably are going through something right now.

You don’t make your whole brand about your partnership, then suddenly start doing separate projects and not being seen together in public. Something has gone wrong in the previous approach for them to come up with the conclusion that they can’t be seen together. That he won’t be seen with his wife.

My feelings are that they are taking time out and a step back from the intensity of the last few years. Not necessarily a spilt, but they in their personal lives as well as professional, are trying to work out who they are and what’s their direction. They became enmeshed with each other and that isn’t healthy. They’ve relied on each other too much because both have abandoned their families. It’s not really all that surprising when we know the couple have struggled with poor mental health. It was only 5 years ago meghan was having suicidal thoughts and Harry’s troubles are well known.

So all these rumours have hid a nerve I’d say. I think they really need to step away from the limelight and retreat. Because it looks like it’s going to cost them their relationship.

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Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 10:22

He’s an odd fish.

Clearly still in NY and seems to be spending more and more time there 👀

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Extiainoiapeial · 08/12/2024 10:26

Why is NYPD allowing this!

Allowing what? Harry talking to someone? The guy in the car had plenty of room to pull round and go on his way, but he decided to pull up, video Harry with his security people, set it to music and put it on IG.
I hardly see that as Harry's fault

LaMarschallin · 08/12/2024 10:38

🎶 No two people have ever mooned such a moon,
Juned such a June, spooned such a spoon.
I'm telling you
No two people have ever been so in tune, as my macaroon and I.
And when we kiss, and when we kiss...it's hysterical. It's historical!
This is unique. The positive peak.
Oh, we are the most unusual couple on earth! 🎵

I'm going to have this as an earworm now - my parents loved it but never claimed to be salt and vinegar or anything.

Eta Inspired by Gorgonemilezola

Tbh people wouldn't be so interested if we hadn't been told by the couple themselves that their love was so special and on a higher plain than anyone else's (paraphrasing).

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 10:43

Extiainoiapeial · 08/12/2024 10:26

Why is NYPD allowing this!

Allowing what? Harry talking to someone? The guy in the car had plenty of room to pull round and go on his way, but he decided to pull up, video Harry with his security people, set it to music and put it on IG.
I hardly see that as Harry's fault

Look again!

Theres an NYPD police car in the middle of the street holding traffic

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Extiainoiapeial · 08/12/2024 10:57

I have. They don't appear to be stopping traffic as they are parked up on the left and then appear to start to pull away.
It seems the guy filming is a bit of a fan, setting it all to music

FloofPaws · 08/12/2024 10:59

LaMarschallin · 08/12/2024 10:38

🎶 No two people have ever mooned such a moon,
Juned such a June, spooned such a spoon.
I'm telling you
No two people have ever been so in tune, as my macaroon and I.
And when we kiss, and when we kiss...it's hysterical. It's historical!
This is unique. The positive peak.
Oh, we are the most unusual couple on earth! 🎵

I'm going to have this as an earworm now - my parents loved it but never claimed to be salt and vinegar or anything.

Eta Inspired by Gorgonemilezola

Tbh people wouldn't be so interested if we hadn't been told by the couple themselves that their love was so special and on a higher plain than anyone else's (paraphrasing).

Edited

They 'tell' people a lot of things that are a load of garbage! All that shit about Diana ie see MM as the new Diana 🙄 and that attention to detail bollocks 🤪 it's like they want to put snippets of how they want to be viewed in the media in the hope that people are stupid and can't see
Through their bollocks - idiots!

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 11:13

Extiainoiapeial · 08/12/2024 10:57

I have. They don't appear to be stopping traffic as they are parked up on the left and then appear to start to pull away.
It seems the guy filming is a bit of a fan, setting it all to music

The police car is slap bang in the middle of the road. The car Harry was in, is to the side. It’s not complicated.

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Extiainoiapeial · 08/12/2024 11:24

Don't agree. It's not complicated.

CathyorClaire · 08/12/2024 11:25

The full response was, 'Apparently we’ve bought or moved house 10, 12 times. We’ve apparently divorced maybe 10, 12 times as well. So it’s just like, what?'
Apart from it trailing off into incoherence, I cannot recall anyone or any media outlet alleging that he has moved house '10, 12 times', or that they have divorced.

Great point.

As for OP, I've no idea if Harold's stirring things by accident or design but even in the unlikely event he was put on the spot he's well versed in deflection and there are any number of ways he could have batted the question away with an anodyne answer.

cavea · 08/12/2024 11:33

LOL, that has to be a staged photo op by Harry. 😂

A CEO has just been gunned down in broad daylight in NY, Harry is scared of what might be lurking around the bend in the UK, and yet he is happy to hop out of his car in the middle of NY to greet a handful of people. 🙄

That has all the smell of a preplanned publicity stunt.

CathyorClaire · 08/12/2024 11:41

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 10:16

Behaving extremely arrogantly!

Holding up traffic, wasting police time…to chat to someone in the street!

Why is NYPD allowing this!

https://x.com/MarleyNeens/status/1865453451108347930

Ohhh.

I thought this was a still from the near catastrophic car chase

Didn't realise it's recent.

Maybe NYPD want to see the tats from that parlour trip they escorted him on?

WinterCrow · 08/12/2024 11:42

Gorgonemilezola · 08/12/2024 08:43

'The only rumours I hear about these
people are on MN. If you read serious media sources you’ll find these people are rarely mentioned.'

You are kidding?

Tbh people wouldn't be so interested if we hadn't been told by the couple themselves that their love was so special and on a higher plain than anyone else's (paraphrasing).

Well, quite.

I remember my interest in them being pricked by review articles of H&M's own work, such as this one in the Guardian by Lucy Mangan (great writer).

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/dec/08/harry-and-meghan-netflix-review-so-sickening-i-almost-brought-up-my-breakfast

Harry & Meghan review – so sickening I almost brought up my breakfast

Although there are sweet moments alongside the vomit-inducing, the overriding message of this royal documentary is: the late Queen was right to keep stumm

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/dec/08/harry-and-meghan-netflix-review-so-sickening-i-almost-brought-up-my-breakfast

WinterCrow · 08/12/2024 11:43

And this more recent one by Caroline Davies, which contains a snippet from H&M's voluntary interview with Oprah Winfry.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/sep/14/prince-harry-at-40-the-difference-a-decade-has-made-to-the-dukes-life

MayaKovskaya · 08/12/2024 11:49

@WinterCrow thank you, that's such an interesting article. It's actually quite sympathetic, but does point out some of the basic problems at the heart of the issue.

WinterCrow · 08/12/2024 12:05

Yes, @MayaKovskaya, there's a tonne of interesting stuff in the Guardian, the Observer, the Times and the Telegraph about H&M's public productions and enterprises.

Once H&M make something public, it's 'out there' for serious news outlets to report on. And they do. And readers of serious news read it, and may form opinions and discuss them. We/they are also online, and therefore likely to form opinions on the rather odd swathe of what appear to be H&M superfans, possibly paid ones, who seem to get terribly het up online with their rather juvenile 'haters' narrative.

I'm fascinated by the anthropology of it, I suppose.

(Btw I'm one of those mild-mannered republicans who accepts the current democratically-preferred HoS system that operates in the UK and the Commonwealth countries. It is what it is; and you hope for the best.)

MayaKovskaya · 08/12/2024 12:14

I am fascinated by it all too. Meghan and Harry raise issues about royalty and celebrity. About reality tv, and over sharing, victimhood, tell all interviews and exploiting others' privacy. I think as a couple they embody a lot of problematic issues, titles, privilege, fame and identity politics. They're royal, love being royal, love the titles and the privilege, but don't want the burden of working within a royal system.
Interesting situation.

WinterCrow · 08/12/2024 12:19

CathyorClaire · 08/12/2024 11:41

Ohhh.

I thought this was a still from the near catastrophic car chase

Didn't realise it's recent.

Maybe NYPD want to see the tats from that parlour trip they escorted him on?

Maybe it was to go hang out for a photo-shoot at a handy cathedral. Isn't the beautiful St Patrick's round that way? William being described as a 'among other world leaders' during the Notre Dame, Paris trip must have stung a bit.

Next time Archewell 'stands with Ukraine' or wherever, and 'calls upon world leaders' to yada yada, they'll actually be appealing to leaders/Heads of State including William-in-waiting by the looks of it.

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 12:41

cavea · 08/12/2024 11:33

LOL, that has to be a staged photo op by Harry. 😂

A CEO has just been gunned down in broad daylight in NY, Harry is scared of what might be lurking around the bend in the UK, and yet he is happy to hop out of his car in the middle of NY to greet a handful of people. 🙄

That has all the smell of a preplanned publicity stunt.

Great point about the CEO and NY being on edge, and him pulling stunts like this

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headhonchoponcho · 08/12/2024 12:56

MrsFinkelstein · 08/12/2024 10:14

I genuinely hope they don't divorce, as I wouldn't wish that pain and stress on anyone.

The issue with the Sussexes is they sold their relationship on The Greatest Love Story Ever (TM). No one had ever loved like them, or had a long distance relationship like them. They really really loved one another - not like other people. Salt & pepper, palm trees joined at the bottom (ick), roast chicken, got married 2 days before, young couple, Diana spoke to them, singing seals, dancing in the street, thank you for your service blah blah blah.

When you invest that much energy and push that narrative then it automatically invites speculation when things change and change very publicly.

Marriage is tough and the "comedown" after the initial honeymoon phase when it's just routine and mundane can be tough - especially when it plays out publicly. They rushed into marriage, babies and then leaving with no time to breathe. Hopefully they're just trying to figure out what works for both of them now. Both have no experience of a lasting marriage, both come from divorced parents, Meghan has already divorced. That makes it even harder to make it work.

Harry's ridiculous response (as well as Perry's) just stupidly added fuel to the fire.

I agree but I think that there is another interesting layer to their superior bragging that they are the only special ones to love so brilliantly.

This 'notion' is a classic and diagnostic characteristic of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I have highlighted it below - but the other criteria also look alarmingly familiar:

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) describes NPD as possessing at least five of the following nine criteria.[2]

  • A grandiose sense of self-importance (exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
  • Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
  • Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
  • Requiring excessive admiration
  • A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations)
  • Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends)
  • Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others)
  • Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of them
  • Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Empathy - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy

WinterCrow · 08/12/2024 12:59

I imagine H felt a compulsion to do something, anything, up to and including a cavalcade stunt, on the day that William was placed in a position of prominence among actual leaders in Paris and given credit for soft diplomacy.

This really accentuates the difference between William's position in comparison to that of the self-appointed leaderettes 'in the philanthropic space'.

MayaKovskaya · 08/12/2024 13:00

That sounds fairly accurate, @headhonchoponcho

ToBeOrNotToBee · 08/12/2024 13:12

Funny how he shakes the hands of men but hugs women
Instant ick.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 08/12/2024 13:12

Thoughtsareswirling · 08/12/2024 08:38

I watched the documentary last night on Wallis Simpson and David. I didn't learn a lot I didn't already know, but was very struck by the eerie parallels between their relationship and Harry and Meghan. It's interesting that both David and Bertie seemed to be heavily dependant on their wives and fairly weak men. Harry is the same. None of them very bright either. Wallis is supposed to have treated her husband with contempt and indifference for most of their marriage. In the last two weeks of his life she didn't even visit him once according to his nurse. He died with the nurse present. Both of them knew they could never divorce after all the trouble they caused. The difference is that they didn't have children. Harry and Meghan can't afford to divorce I suspect. Two houses, two lots of security and two lots of cars etc etc. The loss of face would be devastating for them both also.

This is a very astute comparison and, rumour has it, is the exact comparison uneasily drawn by the late Queen and Prince Philip after their first meeting Meghan.

@FloofPaws @MrsFinkelstein You're both bang on with very well written observations. You're both absolutely correct that their brand is reliant on this being the Greatest Love Story Ever Told. Meghan in particular has leaned heavily into the narrative of tough, smart gal pulled up on her own bootstraps, who despite her better judgement falls in love with a Prince and, by bringing him the gift of knowledge, frees him from his gilded cage. A modern version of Sleeping Beauty with the genders switched: Harry, for so long somnolent in his colonial cage, is now, finally, awoke. It's a fab love story, it really is. Should be a film. But how true to reality is it? And the fact remains that the brand simply cannot survive if they are separated.

Harry sacrificed far more than Meghan, but Meghan stands to lose more future revenue.

@FloofPaws I've heard the rumours about Meghan hoping to 'bag a footballer', not sure how much credence I give them. The rumour I do give credence to, because the sources I heard it from have been right about other things, is that the Palace 'men in suits' whom Harry castigates so much, undertook the surreptitious due diligence they undertake on all new boyfriends and girlfriends and discovered some things about Meghan that made them concerned that a marriage might not be a happy one. They took their findings to Charles, who took it to William, who was deputised to have a heart to heart with Harry and suggest that he 'slow down' as there were lots of things he didn't know about Meghan. We know that Harry responded badly to this because he's said so himself; what he hasn't said is that the 'grey suits' made a last ditch attempt to get him to change his mind, which made him furious. This is apparently the incident Harry's referring to when he said in an interview, to the RF "You know what you did. Come clean." It was a meeting of Queen, Charles, William and Harry. And Harry exploded in rage. Unfortunately the end result was Harry proposed and insisted having the wedding as soon as possible, the exit plan began then.

Seems like the instincts of the 'grey suits' were correct although I don't think anyone's very happy about it.

RubicsQuandary · 08/12/2024 13:20

ToBeOrNotToBee · 08/12/2024 13:12

Funny how he shakes the hands of men but hugs women
Instant ick.

Yes! I thought that. It really should have been a hand shake too and I thought she looked like she hadn’t been expecting a hug and possibly didn’t really want one either.

FloofPaws · 08/12/2024 13:22

@GiveMeSpanakopita that's interesting and when you put the pieces together all makes perfect sense ... they were right... and Harry now has no friends or family to Count on - MM rarely needs friends, just people to elevate her or her pocket

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