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Both Harry and Tyler talking about H&Ms marriage. Why?

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Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 09:57

Please note, this thread is to discuss the rumours surrounding Harry and Meghans marriage. For those posters who don’t like to speculate, this thread isnt for you.
Now with Harry discussing his marriage in public, on stage with the worlds media watching, then it’s fair comment to discuss such issues.

To my point! Why did both Harry and Tyler allow questions about the marriage and why did they both talk?

There’s always rumours about H&M, that’s nothing new. In these interviews that are requested, possible questions are talked about beforehand with their teams and anything off limits will be strictly outlined. Many celebs will have a strict policy on not discussing certain issues. It’s why we will never see Tom Cruise getting asked about Suri etc

So why oh why, was questions about their marriage/rumours allowed?

So at the Dealbook conference Harry was asked a question about H&M suddenly doing their events separately. Indeed, Harry’s appearance at Dealbook was a surprise when he was slated to appear at Tyler Perrys award months ago.

Question:

There's articles left and right about, you know, 'Why are you doing independent events? Why aren't you doing them together?'" Sorkin said. "Is that a good thing for you, in a way, that there's so much interest in you?"

Harry reflected that the media speculation is "definitely not a good thing," adding: "We've apparently divorced maybe 10, 12 times as well. So, it's just like, what?"

So Harry and his team allowed a question about the rumours of their separation and thrn Harry took it even further by actually talking about divorce rumours, when the interviewer said no such thing.

Theres rumours all the time about their marriage. Remember last year when the Sun had an article that he had a hotel room on standby at a nearby hotel? He didn’t come out then and talk about those rumours. Yet, talk of their separation seems to have upset them this time that they’ve felt the need to talk about it. This wouldn’t have been done without Meghan approval either

Which brings me to Tyler. He gave an exclusive interview to E! Where he again, talks about Harry and Meghan relationship:

"They love each other," Tyler told E! News at the Paley Honors Fall Gala, where he was honored with the prestigious Paley Honors award. "They have a beautiful family and I just want the best for them."

Tyler giving an exclusive interview would not have allowed a question on the couple unless it had been ok’d. What we don’t see in the E! Article is what question he was asked to give that somewhat odd reply. Was he asked if they’ve split? Was he asked why Harry didn’t appear with Meghan? Who knows! But it must have been a something questioning their relationship to give out an answer like that. A answer which makes the relationship look like it’s in trouble by saying he wants the best for them. Why did he allow that question in an exclusive interview?

I think it’s because M&H have been rattled by the rumours and annoyed that people have picked up upon him bailing from the Tyler Perry awards and not having been pictured with his wife in months. So they’ve allowed these questions to try and bat away the rumours.

But Tyler saying they love each other and he wants the best for them is hardly a ringing endorsement, it actually sounds more like he’s rooting for them to pull through.

Harry never shuts down the split rumours either, he just laments the press (even though it isn’t the press) for stating he’s been divorced 10/12 times. He doesn’t actually say something like- yes, we’re really focusing on our individual projects right now, busy trying to get as much done as possible and separating projects has allowed us to do that. But rumours about a marriage split are completely wrong and untrue.

So H&M PR have told them to quash the rumours this week, because it looks like they were rattled. Which only leads you then to think, that it’s probably true. They probably are going through something right now.

You don’t make your whole brand about your partnership, then suddenly start doing separate projects and not being seen together in public. Something has gone wrong in the previous approach for them to come up with the conclusion that they can’t be seen together. That he won’t be seen with his wife.

My feelings are that they are taking time out and a step back from the intensity of the last few years. Not necessarily a spilt, but they in their personal lives as well as professional, are trying to work out who they are and what’s their direction. They became enmeshed with each other and that isn’t healthy. They’ve relied on each other too much because both have abandoned their families. It’s not really all that surprising when we know the couple have struggled with poor mental health. It was only 5 years ago meghan was having suicidal thoughts and Harry’s troubles are well known.

So all these rumours have hid a nerve I’d say. I think they really need to step away from the limelight and retreat. Because it looks like it’s going to cost them their relationship.

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 08/12/2024 08:10

Yes, the fact that Harry and Tyler are talking openly about the state of the marriage is significant.

It indicates that gossip about the state of the marriage has reached an inflection point within the Cali and broader Hollywood scene. It doesn't tell us anything about the state of the marriage itself. Only that enough people 'in the know' are now talking about it to the extent that it's become a legitimate question for journalists to ask, as opposed to something that can be dismissed as social media gossip or trolling.

Compare the public trails/separations/divorces of Will & Jada; Brad & Angelina; J-Lo and Ben. The pattern is predictable - years of industry/fan gossip which then reaches a crescendo as mainstream, respectable journalists decide that there's enough fire behind the smoke to legitimately make it a story. Then, a formal announcement from the couple.

H&M have so far followed this classic pattern, but will it be followed by a conscious uncoupling? I'm not so sure because:

  1. Their brand rests entirely on the buy-in to their great love story - two very different people who conquered the colonial evil of the RF and almost toppled the institution. It's incredibly romantic, and without this central love story, they have very, very little on which to build future revenue.
  2. They will both have significantly less brand value as separate players. Harry alone will have far more brand value than Meghan alone, but it's a tarnished brand and would take years to repair.
  3. On a practical level Cali family court is VERY tough on non citizen fathers where the children are American citizens. It'd be hard for Harry to get access to his children and he'd probably not be able to take them out of the country if Meghan argued he was a kidnapping risk, which is what I'd do in her situation. He'll have to stay living in US, which will severely impact any efforts to repair his personal brand in the UK and re-enter the RF.

TLDR: They're better off staying together, because in any split, Meghan would lose of professionally and Harry would lose out personally.

cavea · 08/12/2024 08:12

Yes, there is a theory this is a PR strategy in the lead up to the Netflix show and to distract from the skepticism around American Riveria Orchard. Any type of self promotion seems to be fair game for them without them feeling any embarrassment or humiliation.

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:18

I just can’t see meghan allowing anything but an image of perfection about her marriage to be sold by her PR though and can’t see how that would help a lifestyle brand, if people think all is not rosey at home.

BUT I did watch Martha, the Martha Stewart docu on Netflix and when her marriage fell apart she was worried that her brand was over. Customers didn’t care at all. Had no impact on her image.

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cavea · 08/12/2024 08:22

I don't think remaining in the US will be any hardship for Harry, he is very clear he enjoys living there.

To your point about the gossip swirling, I was only recently reading about Richard Gere who used to be married to Cindy Crawford a gazillion years ago before SM, apparently there were lots of rumours about the state of their marriage and they took out a full page advertisement in the Times at huge expense, denying there was any trouble in their relationship, they were separated a few months later. The pattern does seem to be a case of things not going well, possibly trying to figure things out before making the definitive announcement.

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:27

I’ve always thought, that they will split. Mainly because they rushed into things and the romanticised drama of them against the world that kept them together, would eventually wear thin.

I think Harry would stay in the US, but I think he would be NY based and carry on with the sort of work he does now. Until the kids are much older, then I think he would split his time between NY, UK and maybe Africa.

I also think they would both try to keep things settled for the kids, and co parent.

Im not sure there would be drama if they spilt- I think they’ve both got too much on each other and wouldn’t do it for the sake of the kids. But Meghan would win that war if it were to happen. Their fan base and the celebs would all walk with her.

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cavea · 08/12/2024 08:28

I just can’t see meghan allowing anything but an image of perfection.

That is what I think too.

With their means, IF the marriage is in crises, they really can maintain two separate lives for as long as they want without having to disclose anything. The rumours are just that, rumours.

EdithWeston · 08/12/2024 08:30

Sunblessed · 07/12/2024 14:24

Then in the nicest possible way, as outlined earlier, then perhaps don’t engage with threads like mine.

If you see it as tasteless and a race to the bottom, that’s fine. I’m perfectly content however to discuss the marriage of a couple who sold their love story to Netflix for millions of dollars. They made their relationship public fodder.
All you’re doing is pushing up the posts and keeping the thread alive.

I shall engage with whichever threads I want to. You'll know that I'm a fixture on nearly all of them!

There's nothing "nicest" about trying to cancel-by-thread-policing any views which do not accord with yours.

If they are separating, beyond professional, then of course they do it in private, telling the world only when they are good and ready. That they invade the privacy of others does not mean that everyone else should stoop that low.

Ridiculing their earlier hyperbole about palm trees and salt and pepper is of course fair game. As is pointing out how nasty were their comments about others not having love like theirs. Bragging about what you consider to be your superior love life and putting down others is newer a good thing to do.

MissTrip82 · 08/12/2024 08:30

Nobody posting with this level of detail and glee about a total stranger could possibly imagine they sound sane. The absolute enjoyment clearly being felt over the entirely hypothetical breakdown of a marriage involving young children is sick.

The only rumours I hear about these
people are on MN. If you read serious media sources you’ll find these people are rarely mentioned. I encourage you to lift the standard of your reading, and you will rarely have to waste your brain on people
you clearly loathe and wish only unhappiness for.

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:33

EdithWeston · 08/12/2024 08:30

I shall engage with whichever threads I want to. You'll know that I'm a fixture on nearly all of them!

There's nothing "nicest" about trying to cancel-by-thread-policing any views which do not accord with yours.

If they are separating, beyond professional, then of course they do it in private, telling the world only when they are good and ready. That they invade the privacy of others does not mean that everyone else should stoop that low.

Ridiculing their earlier hyperbole about palm trees and salt and pepper is of course fair game. As is pointing out how nasty were their comments about others not having love like theirs. Bragging about what you consider to be your superior love life and putting down others is newer a good thing to do.

That others should stoop that low. Is that directed at me?

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EdithWeston · 08/12/2024 08:36

LivelyMintViper · 08/12/2024 02:58

I think that moving forward H and M's fortunes will depend on the amount of interest generated in them. In other words anything that keeps them in the public eye and causes debate. So when interest looks to be flagging they could for example stage a public argument, have another child, travel to some country as ambassadors for whatever, introduce a discussion of the rumours about their separation etc. After all unless I'm very mistaken their business ventures don't seem to be very successful

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They won't be having another child. Not after Harry said that more than two was wrong (environmental reasons).

Polo screens imminently - this a time when they do have something to talk about, and shouldn't need to bring in extraneous stuff.

There's a separate thread about ARO

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:36

MissTrip82 · 08/12/2024 08:30

Nobody posting with this level of detail and glee about a total stranger could possibly imagine they sound sane. The absolute enjoyment clearly being felt over the entirely hypothetical breakdown of a marriage involving young children is sick.

The only rumours I hear about these
people are on MN. If you read serious media sources you’ll find these people are rarely mentioned. I encourage you to lift the standard of your reading, and you will rarely have to waste your brain on people
you clearly loathe and wish only unhappiness for.

Ahhhh! So what was happening at Dealbook then? When a famous NYT journalist asked about their separation?

That’s not just a MN rumour now is it ……

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EdithWeston · 08/12/2024 08:37

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:33

That others should stoop that low. Is that directed at me?

No.

It's general

Thoughtsareswirling · 08/12/2024 08:38

I watched the documentary last night on Wallis Simpson and David. I didn't learn a lot I didn't already know, but was very struck by the eerie parallels between their relationship and Harry and Meghan. It's interesting that both David and Bertie seemed to be heavily dependant on their wives and fairly weak men. Harry is the same. None of them very bright either. Wallis is supposed to have treated her husband with contempt and indifference for most of their marriage. In the last two weeks of his life she didn't even visit him once according to his nurse. He died with the nurse present. Both of them knew they could never divorce after all the trouble they caused. The difference is that they didn't have children. Harry and Meghan can't afford to divorce I suspect. Two houses, two lots of security and two lots of cars etc etc. The loss of face would be devastating for them both also.

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:40

EdithWeston · 08/12/2024 08:30

I shall engage with whichever threads I want to. You'll know that I'm a fixture on nearly all of them!

There's nothing "nicest" about trying to cancel-by-thread-policing any views which do not accord with yours.

If they are separating, beyond professional, then of course they do it in private, telling the world only when they are good and ready. That they invade the privacy of others does not mean that everyone else should stoop that low.

Ridiculing their earlier hyperbole about palm trees and salt and pepper is of course fair game. As is pointing out how nasty were their comments about others not having love like theirs. Bragging about what you consider to be your superior love life and putting down others is newer a good thing to do.

Additionally, the irony of attempting to call me out for policing, when you regularly on threads chastise others for speculating etc; calling behaviour tasteless and low.

The rules aren’t being broken by discussing such matters, so why do you insist on taking a stance on such issues?

The reason why I suggested that this thread may not be of a benefit to you, is that you won’t stick to the subject and you attempt to shut down talk of the rumours about their marriage.

MN allows such discussions. You need to be able to cope with that.

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Gorgonemilezola · 08/12/2024 08:43

'The only rumours I hear about these
people are on MN. If you read serious media sources you’ll find these people are rarely mentioned.'

You are kidding?

Tbh people wouldn't be so interested if we hadn't been told by the couple themselves that their love was so special and on a higher plain than anyone else's (paraphrasing).

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 08/12/2024 09:00

Tbh I hope their love is special. So much damage to their families and possibly hurtful things said by them, if it’s not special and a real love match then was all the hurt worth it?

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 09:04

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 08/12/2024 09:00

Tbh I hope their love is special. So much damage to their families and possibly hurtful things said by them, if it’s not special and a real love match then was all the hurt worth it?

Meh, they got their kids out of it, so to them it would have been worth it

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FloofPaws · 08/12/2024 09:16

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 08:27

I’ve always thought, that they will split. Mainly because they rushed into things and the romanticised drama of them against the world that kept them together, would eventually wear thin.

I think Harry would stay in the US, but I think he would be NY based and carry on with the sort of work he does now. Until the kids are much older, then I think he would split his time between NY, UK and maybe Africa.

I also think they would both try to keep things settled for the kids, and co parent.

Im not sure there would be drama if they spilt- I think they’ve both got too much on each other and wouldn’t do it for the sake of the kids. But Meghan would win that war if it were to happen. Their fan base and the celebs would all walk with her.

I thought they'd split too, but because she was just man shopping for what she could gain for herself rather than love. She was hell bent on bagging someone with money, I heard footballer, I suspect she had delusions of grandeur when she sank her claws into Harry. The RF saw through her odious behaviour, so she FO'd with her title and baby, dragging g her puppet behind her, expecting the Americans to lap her up .... but neither have any talent to offer, all that sells is gossip, which has shut down their access to RF inside info.
Unfortunately their lifestyle costs a fortune and they're just not able to catch a break into the Hollywood elite circles either financially or anything else, and I think essentially she's used Harry for everything she possibly can, he's probably going to have to share his inheritances with her, and she'll fine herself another man with more money who can give her more

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 09:53

Actually Harry seems to already be spending a bit of time in NY

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Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 10:14

I’m fast he seems to still be there 🤨

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MrsFinkelstein · 08/12/2024 10:14

I genuinely hope they don't divorce, as I wouldn't wish that pain and stress on anyone.

The issue with the Sussexes is they sold their relationship on The Greatest Love Story Ever (TM). No one had ever loved like them, or had a long distance relationship like them. They really really loved one another - not like other people. Salt & pepper, palm trees joined at the bottom (ick), roast chicken, got married 2 days before, young couple, Diana spoke to them, singing seals, dancing in the street, thank you for your service blah blah blah.

When you invest that much energy and push that narrative then it automatically invites speculation when things change and change very publicly.

Marriage is tough and the "comedown" after the initial honeymoon phase when it's just routine and mundane can be tough - especially when it plays out publicly. They rushed into marriage, babies and then leaving with no time to breathe. Hopefully they're just trying to figure out what works for both of them now. Both have no experience of a lasting marriage, both come from divorced parents, Meghan has already divorced. That makes it even harder to make it work.

Harry's ridiculous response (as well as Perry's) just stupidly added fuel to the fire.

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 10:16

Behaving extremely arrogantly!

Holding up traffic, wasting police time…to chat to someone in the street!

Why is NYPD allowing this!

https://x.com/MarleyNeens/status/1865453451108347930

Both Harry and Tyler talking about H&Ms marriage. Why?
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Baital · 08/12/2024 10:16

Yes, it was all a bit teenage! No-one has ever been in love the way we are in love... 🙄

Sunblessed · 08/12/2024 10:19

That is an insane level of arrogance even from Harry. He’s clearly trying to flex.
Just look around in that video and all the security standing guard, so he can hold up traffic and have a chit chat!

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Baital · 08/12/2024 10:20

What is he doing, or trying to achieve? It's just strange.

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