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Hello. I am a 50+ woman from scandinavien who wonder if you Can help me.
I have now almost seen all of the crown. Knew lots, googled a lot. But i have a question if anybody would be so kind to explain to me.

How come so Many British people are so angry at Prince Harry for leaving the Royal House? They were all so evil to his mother?

Thank you.

How long have you got? 🤣. I could spend the whole night giving reasons why. Married a social climber who alienated him from his own family and friends and hers too. Then went on TV and wrote a book trashing his whole family. Alway playing the victim

Personally I have a lot of time for Harry and Meghan. I don’t blame them for making the decision to step back from the royal family. They were treated appallingly by the British press and decided to put their family first. Good on them!

The Crown is fiction, not a documentary. I wouldn't rely on it for historical accuracy.

Diana was a very complex person. She and Charles both had difficult childhoods and just weren't suited to each other. I don't think it's fair to say the royal family was evil to her.

Harry is an indulged man-child who has done nothing but sulk and complain for years, has invaded his own family's privacy while complaining about his own being invaded by the media and has an exaggerated sense of his own importance. He was much easier to like when the palace was in charge of his PR, i.e. covering up how pompous and shallow he is. Since he met Meghan he's revealed his true character and it hasn't gone well.

Thank you for your replies.
I al on season 5 episode 1 now.

So, people are angry because he married a stück up actor, you dont like?
Or because he wrote a book to trash Them?

It is a very interesting story.. i speeded over a lot about Dianas hurt, it was so sad. But the story of Prince Phillips mum vás very interesting, what an amazing lady and how sweet they reunited and she had a few comfortable years. (Was his dad nazi??) Princess Margeret is also googled and facinating. Lots of interesting people - i didnt know a lot about Churchill or Thatcher, Googled Them too. All in all interesting story in a history perspective.

But i cant understand if it is Harrys book or his wife who started the hate towards him.

But even if he was a sulker and a man child, it is not understandeble why they thew a teenager at his feet and left her to herself to deal with it all?

Nobody helped her fit in, support her?

Many she did have a complex childhood, but Elisabeth and margeret and Anne could have been a lot nicer.. or is that fiction?

Honestly please don't think the Crown is anywhere near accurate, especially the later series. I honestly despair at the thought that people from around the world watch it and think it's a factual depiction.

Many she did have a complex childhood, but Elisabeth and margeret and Anne could have been a lot nicer.. or is that fiction?
There's not really any possible way for us to know what went on behind closed doors. The Crown was a dramatisation though, and I think perhaps don't take it too literally. 😉

Argh then i dont know if i want to see the rest. I am so disappointed 😂😂

Diana said herself that she and Anne got along fine. They didn't have a lot in common but there was no conflict there. She mostly got along with the Queen as well.

The Crown has completely distorted loads of things in order to make a narrative. Enjoy it as a fun fantasy but not as real history.

The stuff with Diana was so exaggerated, but the final ending of The Crown was sort of bittersweet. There are some good documentaries about the royal family on Netflix and on YouTube. I love watching things with Princess Anne in. Here are two of my favourite interviews with her:

Thank you so Much for theese videoes. Wau she is completely different.. and yes i know now the crown is fiction 🙄 but i didnt, and i thought if princess margeret as really sad. But she was not. This video showed how funny and clever she was. Not as in the crown.
So, the crown is out.. I am happy most is fiction as it is showed as an awfull Family.

Just Saw it was Anne, not margaret. 🙄😂

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Yes Anne is a character and a half!
I'm not really sure about Margaret. I'd love to see more of her but I don't think she really engaged with us common people the way Anne does.

Was Margaret the drunk party girl as in the crown?

I thought Anne was a moody snob, but she is so funny and sweet in the interview. Why make the persons so different? - the story would be as interesting, even more if it was true..

Here in the US, our local public libraries are an excellent source of books about the UK and the Royal family. I assume they must exist in Scandinavia.

Why don't you tell us all about the Scandi royal families? How so you feel about Crown Princess Victoria? Did Fred cheat on Mary?

Well this isn't obvious at all 😂😂

Sadly, there is a lot of underlying racism in attitudes to Harry - he married a Black woman (who is also American and divorced) which did not go down well with the conservative element of the British press. Cue press harassment and lots of articles negatively comparing Meghan to Catherine, William's wife.

Harry and Meghan broke with the Royal Family because he wanted to step away from all this, but they couldn't agree on his role. At the time, the Royal Family was headed by Elizabeth II who was generally regarded as 'could do no wrong' by all but republicans in the UK. Hence Harry was seen as a betrayer, and his book 'Spare' and interview with Oprah Winfrey only fuelled this perspective.

As others have said, The Crown is fiction, loosely based on the lives of the Royal Family. Diana was not an innocent party in the breakdown of her marriage with Charles, nor were Charles and Camilla star-crossed lovers back in the 70s - Camilla, at least, didn't want to marry Charles at the time.

Oh God!

That awful series. Consider it as fiction, please.

Made by people with an agenda and little respect for fairness or truth.

...because he wanted to step away from all this, but they couldn't agree on his role...
No, the Queen was quite clear they could not be "half in, half out" and gave H&M a year to be sure.

Yes, it's so awful that some people see that as complete fact.

Wrt Harry. I would say the majority were neutral or happy with his marriage.

What upset people was not even him leaving to live in the US, it was the publicly trashing his family once there.

Charles and Diana were poorly suited.

A very good question OP!

It is called scapegoating - many people who have dissatisfactions in their lives have chosen to focus these on this couple. It is rather pathetic, and they need to just get on with their lives.

Ok thank you for all your replies.
Harry didn't need to write that book and they do appear a bit desperate for attention to me.

Somebody asked - I don't know if Frederik had an affair with that woman in Spain, nobody knows- but it was a really stupid thing for him to do.

I don't think people in general are angry with Harry.

He was always popular in his youth, and his marriage was very popular indeed. Look back at the coverage at the time.

And there was considerable support for stepping back - remember that ER II had actually offered them a period of quieter start to royal duties, and had said M could continue acting; but they rejected this in favour of "hit the ground running". It seems that ER II had the better idea of how to acclimatise people to representational duties, but did not impose it.

Yes, there has been a considerable loss in favourable opinion about H&M, notably since the interview, series and book - all of which are very much their own chosen words (and which do not necessarily bear any resemblance to verifiable events, which torpedoed their credibility).

But that's not the same as "anger"

There are those on the internet who bandy about words like "anger" and "hate" and promote division by insisting there are two "teams", and that the British media is somehow unified with an agenda. They even misrepresent the Royal Rota as part of that.

I suspect they may not be based in UK or any of the Crown's other Realms and Dominions. They don't seem to have the same nuance as those who chunter on about the RF and have done so for decades. They don't even seem to realise that this RF topic on MN predates H ever meeting M by a good 6 or 7 years.